French Holocaust denier Robert Faurisson dies at 89

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    I don't need a playbook. You're the one simply regurgitating nonsense out of Nizkor and refuse to address any of the facts about decades of egregious Holocaust Industry fraud & deliberate attempts to deceive the world first with "human soap", fake "human skin lampshades", "shrunken heads" and thousands of fraudulent "holocaust survivor testimonies"

    Now you're calling me a "denier" & a "jew hater" when I have repeatedly stated that I believe Jews, the Roma, Communists,
    Homosexuals were incarcerated & in some cases, executed.

    Since you have absolutely no evidence that I am a "jew hater", you've only proven your own willingness to lie & slander others whom you cannot refute.

    If you're willing to lie about something so easily debunked as my being a "jew hater", you're certainly even more desperate to lie to promote the fragile fraudulent holocaust narrative.

    I dare you to find just one Post in which I have expressed anything negative about "the Jews" otherwise you've just exposed yourself as a liar with absolutely no credibility.

    Meanwhile, "Jazz" has already provided enough material to debunk your additional fraudulent youtube.

    Now, find just one Post in which I have said anything negative about the Jewish people or remain exposed as a liar.
     
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    "HORSE 'APPLES'"


    I have served in the US Military and have known absolutely no 33 year old individuals who held such a low rank at such an advanced age but don't doubt that it is possible.
    I can think of any number of reasons that Suchomel, or whatever his name is, would tell his audience what they wanted to hear with the primary one being that he didn't want to be imprisoned for "Holocaust Denial".
    Still a third reason to doubt the credibility of this alleged eyewitness is that it conflicts with numerous other accounts from other alleged eyewitnesses.
    A forth reason to dispute his account is the absence of ANY of the bodies from "hundreds of thousands" of victims(1)

    Finally, there is absolutely no evidence that industrialized homicidal gas chambers existed. Yes, there were smaller defumigation chambers for delousing clothes but no one has ever seen a single drawing, photo, airtight door & extensive ventilation system etc needed to support the myth that "millions were gassed" in "homicidal gas chambers"(2)

    If "millions" were "gassed" in such a short period of time, there would be quite a few actual gas chambers & numerous drawings, blueprints etc but even the remains of just one has yet to be found.
    Additionally, an actual homicidal gas chamber would have to be far removed from other structures because the powerful exhaust fans needed for removing the poison gas would sicken or kill anyone even outside near the exhaust fumes.



    (1) "Treblinka was No Extermination Camp - Just Transit Station"


    EXCERPT "Treblinka was No Extermination Camp - Just Transit Station- a video proving the Holocaust propaganda is full of lies and the reason behind not letting people in Europe studying it"CONTINUED


    (2) "Rebutting the anti-revisionist’s 'best evidence' for the existence of Nazi 'gas chambers'"
    https://www.historiography-project.com/misc/rebuttal.php

    EXCERPT "As a revisionist, I interpret the relevant documents differently than an anti-revisionist, in large part, I believe, because I don't need the Holocaust to have taken place as commonly related in the many extermination and atrocity stories we have all heard for 50 years. Those who do need the Holocaust (for ideological or other secondary reasons) will necessarily interpret these documents and other materials much differently.

    If you want to believe the "Holocaust" happened, fine. If you want to hate Germans for occurrences — real or imagined — that happened 50 years ago, that is your problem. But without substantive evidence to the contrary, the "gas chamber" lie must go, just as have other lies about Germany, Germans, and the "Holocaust," such as the "human soap" lie and countless others. There will still be more than enough tragedy to go around, and telling the truth — telling what really happened — is a better way of honoring those who suffered than is telling lies and inventing imaginary victims."CONTINUED
     
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    I am well aware of the apocryphal stories of the holocaust that turned out to be bullshit. Just like you are aware of them. And do you know why you are aware that these stories are bullshit? Because ACADEMICS and HISTORIANS DETERMINED that they were.

    But I get how you have to use this handful of debunked stories as evidence that the entire narrative is nothing but propaganda.

    Firstly, your insistence that there were no gas chambers or deliberate organized industrialized scheme to exterminate jews must come from some NON INTELLECTUAL place, since the facts and evidence and confessions clearly prove that to be the case.

    Now, It may be a fact that you aren't a jew hater (but I doubt it given our interactions over the years), but you sure as hell are a denier. You deny that the nazis deliberately gassed jews et.al.

    IIRC, you have followed this play on more than one occasion.

    As for lying about facts, I leave that to you and your fellow deniers.
     
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    What CRAP.

    It seems you really don't have a clue about Suchomel nor the facts surrounding his "case". He spent four years of a six year term for being an accessory to murder and got out in the IIRC early fifties.

    Did you know that the interview with him was LONG after he was released from jail? And had NO worries about being imprisoned for holocaust denial because he wasn't denying it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My god how stupid do denialists think the rest of the world is?

    Oh look the usual denialist bullshit. Long on fallacious logic and short of actual fact. The delousing stations were not gas chambers. NO, an extensive ventilation system was not necessary. Apparently you are not familiar with chemistry. And yes a gas tight door was imperative and the purchase order and design plans for them were uncovered - another fact denialists ignore.

    And the Krackow Institutes chemical analysis was rather definitive. Of course that was conducted by actual scientists, not laughable frauds like Leuchter.




    Oh yeah I was wondering when you'd pull out that hopeless idiot Krege and his afternoon learning how to use his borrowed GPR unit. My god how friggin stupid and ignorant do denialist have to be to accept that Krege had ANYTHING of substance to offer. Hell, even Mattogno had to retract his support for the "report" that Krege NEVER PUBLISHED.

    Boy that sure sounds like definitive evidence for deniers. Same bullshit incompetence that all the other ones have demonstrate. Just reaffirms my conviction that holocaust deniers have serious intellectual issues along with their emotional ones.


    Same bullshit nonsense. Nothing of substance but lots of whining and fallacy. No wonder you eat this crap up.
     
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    I believe that everyone here is aware of how strongly you need to defend & market a narrative so fragile that it requires censorship laws to quash its honest & open discussion and examination.

    Even though you have every right to strongly express your views, you have absolutely no right to mischaracterize and slander those about whose views you know nothing.

    Your bombast & vitriol do not intimidate or impress anyone. They only expose the degree to which you are insecure concerning the veracity of the narrative you have so frantically embraced.

    Exchanging ideas & opinions at this forum is supposed to be a pleasurable pastime, I see no reason to sully it with anger & vulgarity.

    Please temper your strong feelings with civility.
    Good Night
     
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    Yes, why are we kicking each others shins? Because to me it seems the Germans get blamed and accused of an enormous crime I cannot fathom they committed.
    The other side has committed at least as much and more crimes against humanity and do not get blamed, accused or tried.
    Why is that?
    Look at the Jews in Israel now how they treat the Palestinians!
    Look at the USA how they massacred 1.7 million German POWs after the war; how they ever since have rampaged through one country after the other and left death and destruction in their wake!
    Look at the Russians how they mistreated and murdered us Germans!
    Look at the British how they bombed Germany to smithereens, although we were already lying on the ground!

    Did anybody hold them responsible for their crimes against humanity?
    Did they pay reparations to the German Nation?
    Did they even admit or apologize for their cruelties?
    NO SUCH THING! In the contrary, they forced the Germans to obey and kiss their feet!
    They spy on Germany and control every move Germany makes; control what is being taught in the schools and universities; they forbid free speech and thought!
    They abuse Germany's military to fight their stupid wars for them!

    I cry for you, my Germany!
    What in hell is your destiny?
    Do you want to become obsolete?
    Become everyone's toilet sheet?
    Have the Russians not raped you enough?
    You really want more of the same stuff?

    When I die
    and lie
    in my grave,
    I'll think of our men
    who were fighting then
    with honor and bravery
    the overwhelming enemy!

    But now they have been forgotten
    and their bodies are all rotten.
    After seventy years
    nobody really cares.

    Forgotten lie buried our braves;
    no flowers decorate their graves.
    But one little girl remembers you!
    Yes, dear brothers, I do!
    I will never forget you!

    Jazz
     
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    Yeah sure no problem. Sorry, but I am have a hard time being civil to those I am bigoted against. And holocaust deniers happen to be one. That you may be one of the rare ones that is motivated merely by nazi rehabilitation and misplaced german patriotism, I grant is a possibility. But considering your posting history of anecdotal anti-jewish links and a number of your regular sources, I put it in the same possibility category as me winning the lottery.

    Denialism is predicated on jew hatred. Its principle advocates and contributors were ALL far fascist or white nationalist believers - even that tool Leuchter. Tell us all that Zundel wasn't an outright nazi.
     
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    I strongly resent being called a "jew hater" and only asked that you produce JUST ONE of my thousands of Posts to support your accusation and you did not.

    Anyone who displays such an open compulsion to lie about one fact is certainly willing to lie in a frantic defense of the same grisly cult to which they have been indoctrinated.

    Additionally, I never said: "...the entire narrative is nothing but propaganda." but when thousands of fake "survivors" produce the false "evidence & confessions" on which you base your fragile narrative, that narrative cannot be completely true.

    There are no "facts" to support the industrialized homicidal gas chamber myth as not one "homicidal gas chamber" or its blue prints, drawing of photographic remains have been found in 70 years of close examination.

    Surely if there were enough homicidal gas chambers to kill millions of people, airtight doors, high volume ventilation systems, blue prints & drawings would be in plentiful supply but not one exists or has ever been found.

    Why?

    As I noted earlier, a homicidal gas chamber would have to be far removed from populated areas or the exhausted gas fumes would sicken or kill those nearby the facility. Oddly enough the phony "homicidal gas chambers" in many camp drawings are placed near other heavily populated buildings or areas.

    You were compelled to devote the bulk of your post attacking me only because you have absolutely no evidence that I am a "jew hater" or factual evidence that homicidal gas chambers existed, only conflicting eyewitness accounts that the bodies were blue when poisoning by cyanide or diesel fumes makes the human body's skin assume a cherry reddish color.

    I've only asked that you produce just one Post showing that I am a "jew hater" and / or factual evidence of just one German WW2 homicidal gas chamber but you can do neither in spite of your decades of indoctrination of holocaust lore.


    "The Holocaust Fraud Exposed"

    https://www.youtube.com/verify_controversy?next_url=/watch?v=Os0eldMv-wE
     
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    WE HAVE A WINNER: "NO, an extensive ventilation system was not necessary." (for gas chambers)



    1. Apparently your reading ability has been compromised by your fervent cult indoctrination.
    I said that Suchomel in their very suspicious "Secret" meeting told the interviewer what he wanted to hear to avoid spending time in jail for "holocaust denial".

    2. Re: "NO, an extensive ventilation system was not necessary." (for poison gas)

    Now, you've really shown how delusional you are when you claim that poison gas chambers don't need a ventilation system.

    Then you go on to insult every other researcher, historian & scientist who debunks your desperately compromised cult.

    Meanwhile, where are the 800,000 bodies or even ashes that should leave an indelible impression on the landscape?
    Where are all the homicidal gas chambers that were used to exterminate millions of people in a short time?

    Anyone so fanatic & delusional as to claim that poison gas chambers need no ventilation system doesn't deserve a fuller response.
    All you've got is lies, slander, insults & character defamation for those who have debunked the tenets of your fragile cult.
     
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    HE WAS CONVICTED OF THE CRIME. He freely admitted what was going on. Only an idiot would believe he fabricated that extensive and detailed interview of what was going on because he was afraid to be accused of holocaust denial.


    No I do not consider an readily available industrial aeration recycler, like those used in morgues, to be "extensive". Rather simple and straight forward "industrial" application.

    Afterall, the properties of the Zyklon series of products were well known, with Zyklon B the variant that was lethal specifically for humans.

    Here's a short primer on the subject.

    https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/

    In the five large deep pits of human ash that were found on site by a scientifically conducted GPR survey of the site in 2012 by Dr. Sturdy Coll.


    Where were all of them? Well the one at treblinka was found exactly where it was supposed to be according to the "established narrative". go figger. The cottage foundations were found at auschwitz.

    But your question is easily answered here:

    http://www.deathcamps.org/

    You'll find extensive information on all the Aktion Reinhard Camps.



    Any excuse you can find. Typical behavior from the denier.

    I don't lie. It ain't slander if its true. I do consider myself rather adept at insult. It ain't defamation if its an accurate description.
     
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    Here is the story of another SS Guard in Treblinka. His name is Heinrich Matthes:

    He was appointed chief of the extermination area at Camp 2 where the gas chambers were built and managed by the SS overseeing some 300 slave labourers disposing of corpses under penalty of death.
    ....
    At the beginning of 1934, he joined both the Nazi Party and the SA. When World War II broke out, he was drafted into the army. After about two years, Matthes was then recruited by Action T4, the Nazi state-sponsored program to kill disabled persons. He worked in the T4 photo laboratory (??) and then served in the T4 unit with Organization Todt in Russia.[1]

    In August 1942, he was ordered to Lublin reservation, where he was in short time drafted into the SS with the rank of Scharführer (Sergeant), dispatched to Operation Reinhard, and sent to Treblinka extermination camp. There he was appointed chief officer commanding Camp II (the extermination area) and the gas chambers.

    Matthes was remembered by fellow Treblinka SS officer Franz Suchomel in the following way:

    Wirth installed Matthes as chief of Camp II, as far as I know — and I lived with Matthes — against his will. (does that mean Suchomel lived with Matthes against Matthes will?) With further threats he also made Matthes toe the line. (Wirth threatened Matthes and made him toe the line?)

    Matthes was obsessed with cleanliness. In the autumn of 1942, Matthes shot two prisoners because at the end of the work day they had not properly cleaned to his satisfaction the stretcher which they used to transport corpses.[2]

    In the winter of 1942—43, a typhus epidemic broke out in Treblinka. Matthes took eight sick inmates to the Lazarett and had them shot. (o.k., put them out of their misery and reduce the spread of the disease.)
    During that same winter he shot the prisoner Ilik Weintraub because, while transferring bodies from the gas chambers to the pits, Weintraub had stopped for a moment to drink some water from the well. (highly unlikely, him being a nurse and a tailor! And the well water must have been unsafe to drink.)

    Matthes as remembered by Jerzy Rajgrodzki, a prisoner in the extermination area:

    "He used to beat the prisoners with a completely expressionless, apathetic look on his face, as if the beatings were part of his daily routine. He always saw to it that the roll-call area would always be extremely clean. One of the prisoners had to rake the sand in the square all day long, and he had to do it with Prussian exactness." (again, that seems highly unlikely but serves to portray the German guard as crazy.)

    In the autumn of 1943 Matthes was transferred to Sobibor extermination camp. He would later serve in Trieste with the other Operation Reinhard perpetrators. At the Treblinka Trials in 1965 he was sentenced to life imprisonment. (why did it take 20 years?)

    Matthes testimonies at trial for war-crimes:
    "During the entire time I was in Treblinka, I served in the upper camp. The upper camp was that part of Treblinka with the gas chambers, where the Jews were killed and their corpses laid in large pits and later burned. About fourteen Germans carried out services in the upper camp. There were two Ukrainians permanently in the upper camp. One of them was called Nikolai, the other was a short man, I don't remember his name ... These two Ukrainians who lived in the upper camp served in the gas chambers. They also took care of the engine room when Fritz Schmidt was absent. Usually this Schmidt was in charge of the engine room. In my opinion, as a civilian he was either a mechanic or a driver. He came from Pirna ...
    I carried out the roll calls of the working Jews in the upper camp. There were about 200-300 such working Jews. They took away the corpses and later burned them.
    There were also working Jews who had to break out the gold teeth from the corpses. (in earlier years I read that there were several train wagons full of gold teeth!)
    When I was asked whether a special working group examined the corpses for hidden jewelry and valuables, I answered: "About this I don't know". (it seems the Germans weren't interested in diamonds. A Mrs. Zissblatt swallowed her diamonds, then pooped them out and reswallowd them again. The dumb Germans never discovered her secret.)

    In the upper camp in the area of the gas chambers were stationed about six to eight Ukrainians. These Ukrainians were armed with rifles. Some of them also had leather whips ... The people who were brought through the passage were forced to enter the separate [single] gas chamber. Later, in summer 1942, the new gas chambers were built. I think that they became operational only in the autumn.
    All together, six gas chambers were active.

    According to my estimate, about 300 people could enter each gas chamber. The people went into the gas chamber without resistance. (can one believe that?) Those who were at the end, the Ukrainian guards had to push inside. I personally saw how the Ukrainians pushed the people with their rifle butts ...
    The gas chambers were closed for about thirty minutes. Then Schmidt stopped the gassing, and the two Ukrainians who were in the engine room opened the gas chambers from the other side. (so, there must have been lots of gas to escape from the chamber.)

    An SS-Oberscharführer or Hauptscharführer Floss arrived at this time [November 1942], who, so I presume, must previously have been in another camp. He then had the installation built for burning the corpses.
    The incineration was carried out by placing railroad rails on blocks of concrete. The corpses were then piled up on these rails. Brush wood was placed under the rails. The wood was drenched with gasoline. Not only the newly obtained corpses were burnt in this way, but also those exhumed from the ditches. (this being in November, a wet month usually, and the exhumed corpses being wet and muddy, it must have taken a lot of precious gasoline, a commodity the Germans had very little of. They actually fired a lot of trucks and locomotives with wood to save gasoline. I have seen such in my time. Anyway, they had some brush which burns like hell and is gone in a few minutes. One needs hardwood logs to sustain a certain degree of heat to incinerate piles of human bodies.

    https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Heinrich_Matthes
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    Does anybody see anything particularly wrong or suspicious with these stories?
    I don't. As a matter of fact, I am just about falling asleep!
     
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    Bless your heart.

    So you now resort to picking around the edges and using fallacy to cast doubt on up front confessions by the perps themselves. Confessions backed up by hard scientific forensic evidence and absolute definitive evidence of massive burial pits full of human ash and bone chips. Perhaps you'd like to debate the required number of cadavers to equal the volume of ash discovered? Or perhaps the rate of cremation in open pit wood pyres for hundreds of bodies at a time, given the burning characteristics of the available wood and the cadaver fat contributions to the cremation process? I've been down every damn road on this and every time denialists lose because they primarily peddle bullshit.
     
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    Re:
    Only if you hold the demented & racist mindset that only Jews suffered, only Jewish suffering is lamentable and therefore the WW2 era European holocaust is more heinous than any other tragedy ever in history.

    Apparently either ignorance or myopia has blinded you to the equal or greater tragedies that occurred before, concurrently & subsequently.

    "Denialism" as you call it, is simply thinking for yourself in the face of an organized & exploitative multi billion dollar Holocaust Industry that has repeatedly tried to deceive & defraud not only the world but embezzled money intended for deserving holocaust survivors.

    It's not the fault of the far more numerous independent thinking individuals around the world who do not believe the standard holocaust narrative that countless, exposed holocaust frauds started their campaign of deception with fake "human soap", fake "human skin lampshades" & continue to shill fake "survivor stories".

    I've made it abundantly clear that I do not deny that the Roma, Jews, Homosexuals etc were persecuted, imprisoned and sometimes executed en masse but the millions of others of all ethnic groups, nationalities & religions who met dismal ends are equally valuable.

    You accused me of being a "jew hater and I've repeatedly asked you to show just one Post in which I have expressed hatred toward Jews but you still cannot therefore you have absolutely no credibility in what you say or Post.
     
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    MORE DELIBERATE FALSEHOODS


    I've finally gotten weary of your lies, evasions and obfuscations

    Briefly put, your 3 lies, so far, in our exchange have been:

    1. That I am a "jew hater".

    I have asked 3 times that you produce just one Post I have written in which I have expressed hatred or even dislike of the Jewish people & you have repeatedly failed to do so.

    2. "Mass Graves discovered" at Treblinka.

    Your "Dr. Sturdy Coll" discovered ABSOLUTELY NO MASS GRAVES AT TREBLINKA. They only found a few personal items & parts of a building they claim was a "gas chamber". Conspicuously absent was any signs of an airtight door, exhaust vent etc(1)

    3. "NO, an extensive ventilation system was not necessary." (for homicidal gas chambers)["Jonsa"]

    If millions of people died in homicidal gas chambers on an "industrialized" scale, how does one vent the toxic fumes to clear the bodies & make way for the next victims.

    Even fake models of what "Nazi gas chambers" MIGHT have looked like (if they existed) included an industrialized exhaust system but of the hundreds or thousands of homicidal gas chambers needed to exterminate millions of victims on the scale commonly claimed, not one has been found.

    I'll leave it to readers with common sense to determine why not one homicidal gas chamber, air tight door or exhaust vent system has been found if "millions" were supposed to be gassed to death.




    (1) "Unearthing the Atrocities of Nazi Death Camps"
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/unearthing-the-atrocities-of-nazi-death-camps/
    EXCERPTS" Traditional Jewish law dictates that graves should not be opened, and these observers feel uneasy about researchers digging near killing sites where human remains might be disturbed,... This very act of commemoration, however well-intentioned, is now arguably keeping still-buried artifacts from being discovered at the site—
    ...the teams have found a startling array of everyday items and personal keepsakes,
    They soon unearthed some remarkable buried secrets, including personal possessions like jewelry and utensils, the brick foundations of the gas chambers, and tiles that probably covered the chambers’ floors."CONTINUED


    (2) "Treblinka was No Extermination Camp - Just Transit Station"


    EXCERPT "Treblinka was No Extermination Camp - Just Transit Station- a video proving the Holocaust propaganda is full of lies and the reason behind not letting people in Europe studying it"CONTINUED
     
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    Re:

    If it's any consolation far fewer people believe the standard holocaust narrative than do not believe(1) the myths about homicidal gas chambers, "6 million executed" and other crassly exploited, profit driven fables. Because the source for this figure is the complicit ADL, I suspect that the number of believers is much smaller than 1/3 given that "denying the holocaust" is illegal in many of the countries polled & "politically incorrect" in others.

    In other words, deceived & deluded holocaustians are in the minority and, I suspect, will dwindle as additional frauds are exposed, hoaxes emerge & repressed facts are declassified.

    As you are aware, toward the end of the war, authentic WW2 German stationary, typewriters, official stamps were among the most valued items plundered in order to forge some of the "mountains" of documents supporting popular holocaust lore.

    You are correct that equal and greater atrocities have been committed by others and many atrocities were committed against Germany but as long as the victors write the history, we can expect a complicit, pro Israel MSM(2) to devote a disproportionate focus on "THE Holocaust®"

    Finally, it appears that younger generations are more inclined to think for themselves when presented with both sides of the story as was demonstrated by an exercise in Critical Thinking on 8th Graders in California(3).
    In spite of a relentless holocaustian indoctrination, over 50 students used their courage & common sense to reject the standard, specious holocaust narrative.





    (1) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

    EXCERPT “This is the most staggering statistic in a new survey by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of more than 53,000 people in over 100 countries, conducted by First International Resources.

    Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED


    (2) “U.S. media coverage reveals a pro-Israel bias”
    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion...erage-reveals-a-pro-israel-bias/#.WMLm5mafK_U


    EXCERPT “Why does TV news look like a Netanyahu ad?” asked Chris McGreal of The Guardian on July 31, in his article on the “notoriously pro-Israel mainstream media in the U.S.”

    In fact, three main dailies here from mid-July to mid-August easily gave the impression that U.S. President Barack Obama, not Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, was prosecuting a war against the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip. The U.S. State Department continues to list the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) as a terrorist organization.

    Meanwhile, the Wall Street Journal dispelled any doubt about which side it was on. On Aug. 2-3, its Review section gave a two-page spread — “In Defense of Zionism” — against an oversize photo of a flag-raising ceremony in Israel, in 1948.”CONTINUED


    (3) "SHOCK: District’s ‘critical thinking’ assignment led at least 50 students to conclude Holocaust never occurred"

    http://eagnews.org/shock-districts-...tudents-to-conclude-holocaust-never-occurred/

    RIALTO, Calif. – An eighth-grade English assignment that was meant to develop students’ critical thinking skills has, instead, created some 50 new Holocaust deniers.

    In May, Rialto Unified School District leaders came under intense criticism after it was revealed the district’s roughly 2,000 eighth-grade students were given an in-class essay assignment in which they were asked to consider if the Holocaust was “an actual historical event” or if it might have been “a propaganda tool that was used for political and monetary gain.”

    One student declared there was no way the Holocaust occurred because the Nazis “would have had to have killed 187 people an hour in order to kill 6 million people. Therefore it is impossible.”

    Another flatly asserted that the Holocaust is “a profitable hoax made by the Jews to obtain land, money and power.”

    One student concluded: “With the evidence that was given to me, it clearly was obvious” that the Holocaust never occurred “and I wouldn’t know why anyone would think otherwise.”

    Several students based their skepticism on arguments put forth by discredited Holocaust denier Fred A. Leuchter, who has argued the Nazis never used gas chambers to kill Jews.

    One student wrote that if the Nazis “would have even experimented these so called gas chambers the Nazis would have died also, so I do not believe in gas chambers.”

    Another made a similar argument: “if gassing would have occurred everyone (nearby) would have died, because the floors had cracks in the floor and holes in the wall.”

    Still another asserted “there is no significant cyanide traces in any of the alleged gas chambers. So any open minded person can easily be persuaded to believe that the gassings were a Hoax.”

    Some students even used the “evidence” provided by their teachers to declare that “The Diary of Anne Frank” – the first-hand account of Nazi atrocities that students had been assigned to read earlier – was a fraud."CONTINUED
     
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    Bullshit. I guess you are not aware of what the term "et.al." means. I am totally aware of the fact that the nazis had it in for not only jews, but roms, gays, and the mentally handicapped. They also were rather brutal towards slavs whom they also considered untermensch.

    But I get that you have to claim that as far as I'm concerned tis its only all about the jews. I also totally acknowledge the historical fact that nazi genocide is hardly the only example. But it is the first "industrial scale" genocide ever perpetrated.

    And like I said to you. The fact that your posting history demonstrates repeated anecdotal stories of dastardy jews doing dastardly things, not to mention some of the sources you regularly refer to, indicates a rather pronounced bias. But I get how you want to hide behind the claim - I never specifically expressed hatred towards jews - since in the world of denialists 'implication" and "deduction" are a one way street.

    I'm all for exposing holocaust fraudsters. They are engaging in criminal action. But they had little or NOTHING to do with the events of the holocaust. They weren't the perps and they crawled out years later.

    I notice you can't actually defend ANY of the so called 'scientific" evidence created by denialists. Even faurisson's original denialist "partner" Pressac wound up agreeing that faurisson and the denialists were full of bullshit.
     
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    More bullshit. You insist krege the idiot who had to read the GPR manual before his ludicrous four hour investigation that resulted in ZERO. He NEVER published his findings other than making a stupid announcement in conjunction with Mottogno, who after some time passed had to denounce Krege's efforts.
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    I notice that you also mistakenly (and probably deliberately) are trying to confuse the archeological dig around the gas chamber at treblinka in 2015 (iirc) with the extensive GPR study (by the same professionals not clowns in 2011) that uncovered five large ash pits (the largest as big as an olympic sized swimming pool) in 2012. But being weasely about "evidence" is a classic characteristic of denialists.

    Even with eye witness CONFESSIONS you can't stomach the facts.

    Oh, and where exactly did all those "transited" jews go? Were they wandering around the eastern front? Funny how quickly a million people wandering around the country side could not be noticed and not be found. Logic is not the denialist's friend and certainly not yours.

    Not surprising at all. You demonstrate almost perfect denialist form.
     
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    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hello, everyone!

    Look, what I came across...

    Prominent Jews say the Holocaust is a fake

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    Jewish Prof. Roger Dommergue


    In his interview with Ernst Zundel, the scholarly R. Dommergue, Jewish professor, said it was a total fake.
    He proved prophetic and died a man of absolute truth.

    Here is his letter to Spielberg:
    A letter from Jewish French Dr. Roger Dommergue Polacco de Menasce to Stevens Spielberg:
    I wish your honesty to be equal to your very great talent. I saw you on T.V in France. You declared that you would pour out Shoa propaganda in German schools. You mentioned that witnesses would be convinced for good, as to the reality of the Shoah (6-million-gas-chambers). I feel it my duty as a Jew and after 20 years of study of the historical problem of the holocaust, to call your attention to the facts.
    Facts are very stubborn and as no one can gainsay them, our congeners have been compelled to make disgusting politicians enact stalino-orwellian laws which forbid to mention anything concerning the dogma of the six-million-gas-chambers, definitively reduced to perpetual worship of this alchemy.
    In case of no respect of silence and worship of the myth, you suffer the penalty of fines or prison or both. Professor Faurisson, who has been studying the subject for 20 years, has been practically massacred. This is utterly ridiculous, but give the Police and the Justice of all countries to Mr Lévy, he will not be ridiculous any more: here is the XXth century!
    These laws are, accordingly, the absolute proof of the fake before we study its arithmetical and technical ineptitude. No Sir, you will not find ONE witness who saw 6 million Jews slaughtered. You will not find ONE witness of Zyclon-B - gas chambers to exterminate 1000 or 2000 people at a time, close to the crematoria. See my Shoa Sherlockholmisedâ herewith: it is the summary of 20 years study on the subject.
    The 6-million-gas-chambers myth is an arithmetic and technical nonsense. As a matter of fact the howling, snivelling, Shoah business, 50 years after the war, is disgusting, debasing: it is a disgraceful shame.

    Read on here:

    https://archive.org/details/ALetterFromJewishFrenchDr.RogerDommerguePolaccoDeMenasceToStevens
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    I have never heard of this man before.
    His opinion as a Jewish professor has definitely some weight. He seems to be honest and well informed.
    How can he say: "The 6-million-gas-chambers myth is an arithmetic and technical nonsense."?
     
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    There aren't any legitimate scholars who claim 6 million were murdered in gas chambers, it sure as hell isn't part of the accepted historical narrative, but deniers spend a lot of time trying to debunk that claim as it it was. Just more simple minded, lame, fallacious bullshit that for some strange reason seems to work so effectively on deniers.
     
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    The all-knowing Wikipedia, which everybody uses to verify facts or just find out some facts, writes about the holocaust:

    The Holocaust, also referred to as the Shoah, was a genocide during World War II in which Nazi Germany, aided by its collaborators, systematically murdered some six million European Jews, around two-thirds of the Jewish population of Europe, between 1941 and 1945.
    etc.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust
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    Although, the figure of dead has been reduced a couple of times for Auschwitz, and it was admitted that nobody got gassed in camps inside Germany proper, the 6 mill. figure has remained the official death toll.
     
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    Darling, darling brave man R. I. P xxx May his work become a normality and all wars cease.
     
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    MORE DELIBERATE FALSEHOODS, INSULTS & SLANDER

    I have learned more about the degree to which brainwashed holocaustians will stoop to the lowest deceptions, obfuscations & slander to market their "product" (the official holocaust narrative) in the last week than I had in months.

    More vitriolic slander, bombastic rhetoric and outright lies are a pitiful excuse for your crumbling "evidence" based sole on conflicting stories and your researcher's, Coll's "discovery" of a few personal effects.

    LIE:
    FACT: Krege, who is an engineer & his team were at Triblinka for 3 WEEKS with an $80,000- GPR, augers & other equipment. They covered every area that was regarded as a "mass grave" site, took core samples and found NOTHING because nothing was there.
    Yes, bones, ruins and personal items were discovered elsewhere but no mass graves of 850,000 people anywhere.

    LIE:
    FACT: Coll did not uncover anything noteworthy because the local rabbis would not let her disturb what they claim to be mass graves(1).
    Krege was not working for the Holocaust Industry & was able to perform his extensive scans undisturbed by local authorities & apparently didn't check with the local rabbis or the Holocaust Industry.

    LIE:
    FACT: "Confessions" obtained under torture have proven as unreliable as the eyewitness survivor testimony that contradicts what has been found & other eyewitness accounts. For example, some survivors claimed inmates were "steamed to death" while other accounts state that there were diesel fume gas chambers

    Finally, brainwashed holocaustians gullible enough to believe the whole standard narrative don't ever calculate the magnitude of burying, digging up, building massive pyres & burning 850,000 bodies while executing almost 6,000 people per day.

    All of this heavy manual labor is supposed to have been done by starving, tortured and weakened individuals while a single railroad tie weighs over 100 pounds and would require 10 miles of heavy & unwieldy railroad ties & over 13 million gallons of valuable gasoline to burn 850,000 putrified bodies. (2)
    Even if 850,000 bodies burned completely which is unlikely, 850,000 skeletons would remain somewhere but they are nowhere to be found in any of the areas claimed to be "mass graves".

    Remember, bodies burned under such crude conditions leave skeletal remains...where are 850,000 of them?

    What is especially refreshing about Krege is that he encourages others to check his work and suggested that an impartial, international group examine the disputed areas. HE is not trying to hide anything. It is the clandestine minions of the Holocaust Industry who refuse to allow additional research to be done by unbiased individuals out of fear of exposure as frauds as egregious as earlier "evidence": "human soap", "human skin lampshades", shrunken heads etc.

    Again, why are they so desperate to keep people from examining the "product" they have been crassly marketing & exploiting for decades?





    (1) "Unearthing the Atrocities of Nazi Death Camps"
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/unearthing-the-atrocities-of-nazi-death-camps/
    EXCERPTS" Traditional Jewish law dictates that graves should not be opened, and these observers feel uneasy about researchers digging near killing sites where human remains might be disturbed,... This very act of commemoration, however well-intentioned, is now arguably keeping still-buried artifacts from being discovered at the site—"CONTINUED


    (2) "No Bodies Found at Treblinka"
    http://theamericanchronicle.blogspot.com/2014/01/no-bodies-found-at-treblinka.html
     
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