French Holocaust denier Robert Faurisson dies at 89

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    And mine is that Holocaust Denial is a mental illness.

    From the Oxford Press:
    Holocaust Denial and Hate Speech
    Robert A. Kahn


    Excerpt:
    Iow, denial is a form of mental illness ...
     
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    If you expect any further replies, you will knock off the hysterical slurs & snarky attitude.

    I assume you have not read my previous Posts on this thread or read recent ones closely because nowhere have I said that the holocaust was: "...an enormous joke perpetrated after the war."

    It was one of the more tragic episodes to plague the 1900s but only a single facet of the far more horrific WW2.
    Because those interred in the German work camps included many groups of people of various religions, ethnic groups, nationalities, I do not feel that it is exclusively Jewish "property" nor do I feel that it is any more or less profound than the many other mass tragedies that have occurred through history since all lives, regardless of background, are equally valuable.

    Apparently you are confused about the satire piece from "The Onion" that another Poster thought was real.
    Yes, work / concentration camps were built with crematoria, hospitals, swimming pools, barracks, dental offices etc.
    They were not all constructed over a 24 hour period as the satire article states.
    But since some people believe other outrageous impossibilities about the holocaust, maybe you do believe that all the camps were built in 24 hours.

    Yes, at the end of the war, when Allied destruction of German supply lines made it impossible to supply inmates with food & medicine, all the camps were in their worst shape ever as typhus was so rampant that 14,000 people died of typhus at Bergen Belsen after it was liberated by the British.
    Of all the bodies from the piles of dead typhus victims on which autopsies were done, not one was killed by "gassing".

    Rejecting the profit driven & grossly exaggerated standard holocaust narrative has absolutely nothing to do with hatred of anyone. It is simply a desire for an honest & accurate account of WW2's already grisly history.

    If the German agenda was, as you claim: "...the wanton destruction of the Jewish people.", why did Germany:

    1. Train, arm & deploy 150,000 Jews to serve in Germany's WW2 military, promote some of them to the highest ranks of General / Admiral and award many Germany's highest military honors with the full knowledge & approval of Hitler & the German High command?

    2. Establish the Haavara agreement with the goal settling as many Jews as possible in Palestine?

    3. Allow the German Zionist Federation to help participate in the making of the Nuremberg Race Laws. The German Zionist Federation was just as concerned about preserving Jewish "racial purity" as the Nazis were in preserving "Aryan racial purity?
    It was the German Zionist Federation that prohibited Jews from emigrating to any country other than Palestine as they helped fuel anti Semitism as a means to pressure Jews to move to Palestine.
    I'm sure you've heard the quote from Zionist leader Izaak Greenbaum: "One cow in Palestine is worth all the Jews in Poland"

    Finally, according to the Wannsee Conference, there were 4.5 million Jews under German control at the highest point, however, 4.3 million Jewish claims have been made against Germany for reparations therefore the "6 million Jews exterminated" mantra with which so many have been indoctrinated is complete fiction.
     
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    I worked for 16 years as a Psychiatric Case Worker treating the genuinely mentally ill & am intimately familiar with fearful & weak minded, obsessive conformists who lack the strength & intellect to exercise independent thought in the face of "GroupThink" or Mob mentality.

    Slandering all people who do not believe the standard holocaust narrative as hate filled Neo Nazis, "anti Semites" etc is intellectually dishonest & a logically flawed assumption necessary for the proliferation of a profit driven fraudulent fiction.

    The fact that you cannot refute even one of the facts I submitted in post #500 proves that you know nothing about the topic at hand and cannot support even its most basic falsehoods.

    Cutting and Pasting slanderous falsehoods about independent thinkers generated by well funded Holocaust Industry hucksters fails to refute any of the inconvenient facts that debunk the perverted standard holocaust narrative.
     
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    And it get's treated with getting beaten up, death threats by the ADL, extradited to Germany and locked in German jails??
    Not bad, considering how many they already hanged!
    I see these witch hunts more as a satisfying, prolonged revenge act. But I could be wrong!
     
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    I am not the subject of this discussion! Forget me and concentrate on refuting my 13 facts in post # 523. Please, stay focused, Sir!
     
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    Can you tell me why you think the article is satire? Maybe my English is too bad to understand it.

    There are of course some falsehoods, but that doesn't matter. The evidence is greater.

    No one believes the death camps were built that fast.
    Water in the human body exists in bound form. Muscles have almost 80% water. At a sufficiently high temperature (600 ° C), the human body burns on its own. A really crazy thing is the "Wick Effect": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wick_effect
     
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    Here you can see why this looks like a contradiction.
    http://www.nizkor.org/features/denial-of-science/worldalmanac.html

    And I'm pretty sure you already know this page.
     
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    Maybe, maybe not.

    Still, the denial of Nazi WW2 massacres is overwhelming disparaged in the EU.

    I don’t know where you live, but here in France nobody but nobody denies such idiocy …
     
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    Google does not "judge" sites for their content. (Though it makes one helluva fortune of selling "predominant first-page position" to shift readers there!*)

    The site in question obviously has a hidden "bug" on it, placed there by some who did not like its content?

    Go figure - the Web-of-today is both good and bad. Forearmed is s/he forewarned ...

    PS:
    *Anyone wanna make a fortune? Invent a Web-search program that seeks sites according to Web-content that is highly-specified. Meaning one must "program" a search according to specific particularities - which takes some intelligence to do correctly because it is a "try-and-retry-differently" iteration.
    *So the program is certainly not for everybody. You'll make a fortune if you "rent" that specificity, and of course if it works well. All that google/bing do is spit back at you what their web-trawler found given your key-word input. And they are "paid handsomely" by certain cites to do so.
    *For instance, as an example, see here: https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/5-advanced-search-engines-web/ (Note that you must "white-list" the site before entering.)
    *And, no, I have no personal interest in the above mentioned site!
     
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    You very likely are right. There is almost certainly nothing wrong with the site. Ironically when I have come across these before has been when I have been looking for information which Israel would not like me to have. For quite some time I have ignored them if that seems the problem. This is the first time I have come across this though. There obviously is something they can do which makes it read as unsafe. I tried Bing, same happened. Goes well with this thread though. ;)
     
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    Your English is very good but what makes "The Onion" unique is the subtle nature of the satire.

    The premise of the article you cited is that the holocaust is something that happened "overnight" and that there were no restrictions or persecutions of the Roma, Jews etc up until a certain day after all the camps were built in "24 hours". The article makes no mention of Kristallnacht and related persecutions that preceded the internment of real and perceived criminals and threats to the State.

    The article stated clearly: "...sent to concentration camps, which had all been built over the previous 24 hours."(1) which is of course impossible but by citing the article, I assumed you believed all of it.


    I'm afraid that I must still disagree with the idea that "...the human body burns on its own" because, if so, there would be no need for so much fuel to to burn a body at 1,400F - 1,800F and take 2 - 2 1/2 hours to do so.(2)

    Since the cremation ovens of the 1940s were older & less efficient, it would have taken longer to burn one body and more than twice as long to try to burn 2 bodies at once because there is twice as much mass but not twice the surface area.
    As a blacksmith (some people say "artist"), I am intimately familiar with how much coal/coke is needed to heat & burn things.
    As I've mentioned earlier, Allied Air Photos do not show large piles of coal, adequate coal storage structures, railroad tracks to deliver coal/coke or excessive smoke to indicate an extensive amount of cremations at Auschwitz in particular and all the camps, in general.

    Additionally, don't you find it odd that enormous mass graves have been found for every mass killing except the holocaust(3) even though "millions" are claimed to have been executed in specific areas?

    I don't expect to change your mind about a subject you have been taught and even demanded to believe your whole life.
    I only hope to illustrate via my Post #500 that there significant reasons for independent thinkers around the world not to believe the standard holocaust narrative.

    I hope you will notice that refusing to believe impossible claims about the holocaust has nothing to do with repulsive Neo Nazism or genuine anti Semitism. I simply do not believe that the German people behaved any more reprehensibly than anyone else during the 1900s & that they have been accused of atrocities they could not have committed on the scale claimed.

    Thanks,



    (1) "Holocaust Survivors Recall Exact Day Holocaust Started Right Out Of The Blue"
    https://www.theonion.com/holocaust-survivors-recall-exact-day-holocaust-started-1830685498
    EXCERPTS "“We were just minding our own business and everything was totally normal, with no curfew or persecutions or any limits on our rights, and all of a sudden, poof—the Holocaust was in full swing.
    .... but by nightfall people were being grabbed off the street and sent to concentration camps, which had all been built over the previous 24 hours."CONTINUED


    (2) "CHIPMAN FUNERAL HOME"
    https://www.chipmanfuneralhome.ca/questions-and-answers-about-cremation/
    EXCERPT " How long does it take to cremate a body?
    Cremating at the optimum temperature (1,400-1,800 degrees), the average weighted remains takes 2 to 2 ½ hours. Several more hours may be required before the cremated remains are available to the family."CONTINUED


    (1) "Top 10 Mass Graves"
    https://listverse.com/2012/06/15/top-10-mass-graves/
     
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    HEINOUS

    It's all bollocks, and most people understand that since the very beginning Hitler wanted to
    annihilate the Jews. Why?

    Because, in fact, though he had no personal grievance he was fashioning his political career and the hatred/dislike of Jews would help him to get elected. He was an extremely devious individual.

    It was, then just post-WW1, becoming an overtly publicly popular idea. Which has become finally - as a consequence of WW2 and its history - heinous. As should be any such idea/notion of destruction of any people because of their religion.

    PS
    *Excerpt from Hitler's military-career biography, here:
    *For an anti-capitalist, and once in power, he lived the life strangely of a plutocrat. So much for his "profound convictions"! Like most his ilk, convictions vary with prevailing political emotions.
     
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    I live in the US however I have also lived, studied & worked in Germany & elsewhere in Europe. I was in Laos during the Viet Nam War and afterward spent 10 - 11 months walking & hitch hiking throughout the Mid East until I was stuck in S. Lebanon during the '73 War. I then went back to Alsace - Lorraine (Freiburg i. Br.) for more study & extensive bicycle travel.

    While living in Europe in the mid 1970s, I met numerous holocaust survivors whose accounts were vastly different than the grisly stories fabricated by holocaust survivors like the ones listed below(1). Because their numerous accounts refuted the standard holocaust narrative, they were either ignored or harassed & persecuted by the fraudulent, profit driven Holocaust Industry.

    I don't know how you can say that: "...here in France nobody but nobody denies such idiocy …" when the very topic of this thread is about a prominent French historian.
    I think you might be surprised at the large number of people who do not believe the standard holocaust narrative (SHN) but simply remain quiet to avoid the persecution,(2) slander and other repressive tools of the multi billion dollar Holocaust Industry's Thought Police.

    The fact that you cannot refute the facts I've posted on Post #500 simply confirms that that the SHN cannot be true and that rejecting the SHN has nothing to do with promoting neo Nazism or anti Semitism.



    (1) “Most Outrageous Tales of the Holocaust”
    http://balder.org/judea/The-Most-Fan...e-Miracles.php

    EXCERPTS:
    • Moshe Peer's astounding Holy Shoah tale - Gassed six times by the Nazis and survived!! - Claims people were murdered in gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen

    • William Lowenberg's astounding Holocaust tale - Had a magic thirst-quenching pebble, did not drink water, survived on his saliva for 3 years

    • Yankel Wiernik's Holotale - Babies torn in half, woman leaps 10 ft barbed-wire fence, guards nail inmates' ears to walls, jews roasted on giant outdoor hibachis

    • Testimony from the Eichmann Trial by Leon Wells - Dug up and burned bodies, used bone-grinding machine, ate lunch on top of corpses

    • Irene Zisblatt's incredible Holocaust tale- Ate and retrieved diamonds from feces, had 2 post-sterilization children, weighed 40 lbs when liberated

    • Rivka Yosselevska's absurd Holocaust fable - Escaped biting jew corpses, witnessed geysers of blood” CONTINUED


    (2) QUOTE: "The fastest way to get expelled from a British university is by saying you are looking at chemical evidence for how Zyklon was used in World War II, with a discussion of how debusing technology functioned in the German World War II labour camps "

    — Nicholas Kollerstrom
     
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    No, that is NOT my experience in the least.

    Since arriving in Europe in the 1980s, I've heard stories that made my skin crawl. When somebody finally got around to making some films about it regarding the concentration-camps I was not the least bit surprised at what I saw. I had heard the stories from Germans already who had known what was happening. (If you lived close to any one of those extermination camps the stench was impossible to avoid.)

    Furthermore, very recently on French TV, much of the filming that was made at that time (by both the British and the Yanks who had liberated the camps) has been shown publicly. For reasons ONLY the Germans can explain was the war NOT COMPLETELY EXPLAINED in German schools after the war. The supposed excuse was not "shame", but that the authorities did not want to "overwhelm the kids with grief".

    Yeah, right, because knowing the truth about their predecessors would overwhelm their children with grief? More than likely the truth would overwhelm THEIR PARENTS who had allowed Hitler to become "King". After all, they had survived the war only to return to a country that had been totally devastated and they were the only ones left to blame!

    As history, we should accept what happened at its ugly face-value. Knowing that Germany was so devestated by WW1 and both the French and the British wanted to punish the Germans. Which, at a moment when Europe was in the economic doldrums, the Germans were punished by the tremendous fines that they were expected to pay the French and English. (The Germans never did pay all the WW1 fines - because they couldn't - as this history here tells amply well.)

    The first thing Hitler did upon assuming power in 1933 was to stop the payments, and neither the French nor the English even whimpered.

    Which prepared the road towards WW2, and the Nazis embarked upon it with relish ...
     
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    Hitler was not the only politician whose actions do not match his deeds.

    If Hitler wanted to annihilate the Jews, why did he allow 150,000 Jews to serve in Germany's WW2 military, promote many of them to the highest ranks and award some of them Germany's highest military honors(1),(2),(3)?

    Why did Hitler honor Jewish WW1 War Veterans who had already moved to Palestine(4)?

    If Hitler was the hyper racist as frequently portrayed, why did he shake Jessee Owens hand, contrary to Allied Propaganda(5)?

    I am not asserting that numerous real and perceived threats to Germany were not persecuted, placed in work camps, treated cruelly by camp Kapos & frequently executed.
    Additionally, I am not asserting any support for repulsive neo Nazism or anti Semitism.
    I simply feel that the fraudulent SHN gives far too much credibility to fictional accounts that frequently contradict each other, have no basis in fact and are mathematically impossible.


    (1)"The Jews in Hitler's Military"
    http://articles.latimes.com/1996-12-24/news/mn-12209_1_adolf-hitler

    EXCERPT "Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called 'full Jews' served in the military with Hitler's knowledge."CONTINUED


    (2) “Hitler’s Jewish Army”
    http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/

    EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval.

    In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

    Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos).

    So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

    “If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED


    (3) "AS MANY AS 150000 JEWS SERVED IN HITLERS MILITARY"
    https://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/as-many-as-150000-jews-served-in-hitlers-military/

    EXCERPT "As many as 150000 Jews served in Hitlers military, some with the Nazi leader's explicit consent, according to a U.S. historian who has interviewed hundreds of former soldiers.

    Bryan Mark Rigg, history professor at the American Military University in Virginia, told Reuters on Thursday that the issue of soldiers of partial Jewish descent was long a somewhat taboo subject, overlooked by most academics as it threw up thorny questions."CONTINUED


    (4) "When Hitler Honored Jewish Soldiers"
    https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/features/.premium-1.602868

    EXCERPT "The Nazi regime conferred honors on many of the 100,000 Jews who fought in the German army in the Great War, even on some who had already escaped to Palestine."CONTINUED


    (5) "Jesse Owens"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Owens

    EXCERPTS "In a 2009 interview, German journalist Siegfried Mischner claimed that Owens carried around a photograph in his wallet of the Führer shaking his hand before the latter left the stadium. Owens, who felt that the newspapers of the day reported "unfairly" on Hitler's attitude towards him, tried to get Mischner and his journalist colleagues to change the accepted version of history in the 1960s. Mischner claimed that Owens showed him the photograph and told him: "That was one of my most beautiful moments." Mischner added: "(the picture) was taken behind the honour stand and so not captured by the world's press. But I saw it, I saw him shaking Hitler's hand!" According to Mischner, "the predominating opinion in post-war Germany was that Hitler had ignored Owens, so we therefore decided not to report on the photo.

    However, in 2014, Eric Brown, British fighter pilot and test pilot, the Fleet Air Arm's most decorated living pilot,[37] independently stated in a BBC documentary: "I actually witnessed Hitler shaking hands with Jesse Owens and congratulating him on what he had achieved."[38] Additionally, an article in The Baltimore Sun in August 1936 reported that Hitler sent Owens a commemorative inscribed cabinet photograph of himself.[39

    In Germany, Owens had been allowed to travel with and stay in the same hotels as whites, at a time when African Americans in many parts of the United States had to stay in segregated hotels that accommodated only blacks"CONTINUED
     
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    And what makes you think that? Obvious to whom? People with blinders on, like you?

    The evidence is in the NAZI FILES that showed the numbers of those murdered that were uncovered by the Allies after the war.

    Furthermore: from here (The Guardian, April 2017): Opening of UN files on Holocaust will 'rewrite chapters of history'

    Excerpt from link above:
    Moreover, this quote as well:
    All BS? What next? That the sun sets in the East and rises in the West? (What planet do you live on ... ?)
     
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    I believe that who started WW2, when it started & why is beyond the scope of this thread.
    Some historians I've read claim that WW1 & WW2 were just one war with an intermittent cease fire, some claim that it began in the East with Japan's invasion of Manchuria or Italy's invasion of Ethiopia.

    The first actual declaration of War was "Judea's" declaration of War on Germany in 1933(1) & the first invasion on the Western Front was the French invasion of the Saar in September of 1939(2) which came after the Danzig Massacre(3)

    At any rate, since the victors write the history, the standard narrative is that Germany started WW2.

    You're right in that the camps were in their worst condition toward the end of the war as starvation & disease were rampant because Allied bombing of civilian infrastructure made it impossible to resupply the various camps.
    The most credible & impartial report on the camps is dealt with in the first Red Cross report before it was politicized for the Nuremberg "trials"(4)
    While the Red Cross was allowed to inspect the German camps, it was forbidden by Eisenhower to inspect his genuine death camps in which over 1 million German POWs were deliberately starved to death(5).

    The Red Cross was also forbidden by the Soviets from inspecting the gulags in which far more extensive atrocities were carried out over a longer period of time by Stalin's Jewish mass murderers(6)

    Finally, nobody doubts that the German camps as well as the rest of Germany was in disease ridden ruins toward the end of the war. What is disputed is the number of people who died and how they died in the German camps earlier during the war.
    The following letter* by survivor Alexander McClelland is among those generally censored by the Holocaust Industry because it does not conform to their fraudulent narrative about homicidal gas chambers etc.

    *ALEXANDER McCLELLAND.........LETTER
    http://www.whale.to/b/con1.html




    (1) "Full text of "Jews Declare War On Germany 1933"
    https://archive.org/stream/JewsDecl...304/Jews declare war on Germany 1933_djvu.txt
    EXCERPT "Long before the Hitler government began restricting the rights of the German Jews, the leaders of the worldwide Jewish community formally declared war on the "New Germany" at a time when the U.S. government and even the Jewish leaders in Germany were urging caution in dealing with the new Hitler regime."CONTINUED



    (2) "Did You Know? The French Army Invaded Germany in 1939 To Support The Polish"
    https://www.warhistoryonline.com/wo...-the-french-army-invaded-germany-in-1939.html


    (3) "The 1939 Danzig Massacres of ethnic Germans which caused Hitler to invade Poland"
    http://fr.soc.histoire.narkive.com/...-germans-which-caused-hitler-to-invade-poland


    (4) "A Factual Appraisal Of The 'Holocaust' By The Red Cross The Jews And The Concentration Camps:

    No Evidence Of Genocide"

    http://www.polskawalczaca.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=18054

    EXCERPT "One of the most important aspects of the Red Cross Report is that it clarifies the true cause of those deaths that undoubtedly occurred in the camps toward the end of the war. Says the Report: "In the chaotic condition of Germany after the invasion during the final months of the war, the camps received no food supplies at all and starvation claimed an increasing number of victims. Itself alarmed by this situation, the German Government at last informed the ICRC on February 1st, 1945 ... In March 1945, discussions between the President of the ICRC and General of the S.S. Kaltenbrunner gave even more decisive results. Relief could henceforth be distributed by the ICRC, and one delegate was authorised to stay in each camp ..." (Vol. III, p. 83).

    Clearly, the German authorities were at pains to relieve the dire situation as far as they were able. The Red Cross are quite explicit in stating that food supplies ceased at this time due to the Allied bombing of German transportation, and in the interests of interned Jews they had protested on March 15th, 1944 against "the barbarous aerial warfare of the Allies" (Inter Arma Caritas, p. 7. By October 2nd, 1944, the ICRC warned the German Foreign Office of the impending collapse of the German transportation system, declaring that starvation conditions for people throughout Germany were becoming inevitable"CONTINUED


    (5) "GERMAN HOLOCAUST GERMAN GENOCIDE: 9-15 Million Germans Killed 1945 – 1953 Post WW2 “The Morgenthau Plan” EISENHOWER’S DEATH CAMPS “A Forgotten Genocide”

    http://truedemocracyparty.net/2014/...eisenhowers-death-camps-a-forgotten-genocide/

    EXCERPT “ Scanned images of the text of the cover story published in the September 1989 issue of Saturday Night describes Eisenhower’s barbarism. Here is the truth.

    Bacque tells the truth about how Eisenhower murdered thousands of German prisoners of war AFTER the surrender. Many of those starving soldiers and piles of dead bodies you have seen in atrocity photos were NOT Jews, they were Germans.

    General George Patton (who released all his German prisoners) wrote in 1945 that Eisenhower was using “practically Gestapo methods” in torturing and killing German POWs.

    In August 1944 Dwight D. Eisenhower (who in the early 1960s ordered the assassination of Patrice Lamumba) and Henry C. Morgenthau came up with the Morgenthau Plan to inflict collective punishment upon the German people following the end of the Second World War.

    This was, basically, a plan to starve millions of Germans, mostly citizens, to death.

    Although the plan was officially cancelled, it was in fact implemented. Between 1945 and 1953 it is estimated between 9 to 15 million ethnic Germans were killed, mainly civilians." CONTINUED


    (6) "Stalin's Jews"
    "We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish"

    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

    EXCERPT "And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people.

    In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin. They too, of course, were gradually eliminated in the next purges.

    Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity. We'll mention just one more: Leonid Reichman, head of the NKVD's special department and the organization's chief interrogator, who was a particularly cruel sadist."CONTINUED
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Donor

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    Blah, blah, blah.

    A State of War is declared by the Head of government on a certain "date".

    Period ...
     
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    Yes, blah, blah blaah.... seldom do things go according to protocol!

    The German General Otto Ernst Remer
    [​IMG]

    once had a chance to talk freely with Adolf Hitler and he asked him:
    "My Fuehrer, may I speak frankly with you for a moment?"

    "Of course," he replied.

    I then asked him: "Why did you really attack Poland? Couldn't you have been more patient?"

    And Hitler replied: "You are mistaken. I knew as early as March 1939 that Roosevelt had determined to bring about a world war, and I knew that the British were cooperating in this, and that Churchill was involved. God knows that I certainly did not want a world war. That's why I sought to solve the Polish problem in my own way with a kind of punishment expedition, without a declaration of war. After all, there had been thousands of murders of ethnic Germans and 1.2 million ethnic German refugees. What should I have done? I had to act. And for that reason, four weeks after this campaign, I made the most generous offer of peace that any victorious leader could ever have made. Unfortunately, it wasn't successful."

    And then he said: "If I had not acted as I did with regard to the Polish question, to prevent a second world war, by the end of 1942 at the latest we would have experienced what we are now experiencing in 1944."

    That's what he said.

    https://codoh.com/library/document/2278/
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Donor

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    Pure BS, your reference to a "conversation with Hitler" by an ex-Nazi officer of the Wehrmact that (in 1990) was longgggg after the war! Just a survivor of Hitler's War trying to save his sorry backside.

    There were many and Germany's decision NOT TO OPEN the Nazi files to public-inspection only helped their cause. By that time after the war, however, most of the Nazi-principles has long since made their way to South America. And it was the Israelis themselves who brought them back to trial.

    The German government kept stating that "Nuremberg was enough", when it clearly wasn't!


    From WikiPedia: Invasion of Poland

    Excerpt:
    You are welcome to verify the historical facts sited with references ([15] & [16]) in brackets.

    PS: I suggest also that you contact Wikimedia and challenge them to the veracity of the above which contradicts the Wikimedia article. Tell them that "their rendition" does not fit the facts"! See what they have to say ...
     
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    I don't claim to know anything for sure. There are some comfirmed lies told in official US history. Did you know about these two speeches of Hitler's?
    https://www.youtube.com/results?sea...s+Reasons+For+Invading+The+Soviet+Union&sm=12
    https://www.youtube.com/results?sea...r:+Explains+Reasons+For+Invading+Poland&sm=12

    Why didn't we hear those speeches in history class? It's important history, isn't it?


    That may turn out to be true but why are you so sure?

    The mainstream media are the worst place to get information.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...9-11-inside-job.477904/page-6#post-1066772020


    Have you seen this? How do you explain the contradiction?

    http://vho.org/GB/Books/thottc/5.html

    (excerpt)
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    The 1939 study of Arthur Ruppin, Professor of Jewish Sociology at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, gave 16,717,000 Jews in the world in 1938. 17 Because Ruppin (who passed away in 1943) was considered the fore-most expert on such matters, on account of many writings on the subject over a period of many years, the estimates of other pre-war sources tend to agree with him. Thus the American Jewish Committee estimate for 1933, which ap-
    pears in the 1940 World Almanac, was 15,315,359. The World Almanac figure for 1945 is 15,192,089 (page 367); no source is given but the figure is appar-ently based on some sort of religious census. The 1946 World Almanac re-vised this to 15,753,638, a figure which was retained in the editions of 1947 (page 74, 1948 (page 572) and 1949 (page 289). The 1948 World Almanac (page 249) also gives the American Jewish Committee estimate for 1938 (sic
    ), 15,688,259 while the 1949 World Almanac (page 204) reports new figures from the American Jewish Committee which were developed in 1947-1948: 16,643,120 in 1939 and 11,266,600 in 1947.
    ----------------------------------------

    I haven't taken a firm stand as there's always something new that comes up to make one modify his position but I'm certainly not going to simply believe the official story. You seem to be forming your opinions on mere faith that info from official sources always reflects reality.
     
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    I did not cite the source on which you are commenting.

    Please try to stay close to the topic at hand which is Faurisson and the fraudulent standard holocaust narrative he so successfully refuted.

    You may begin by attempting to address the 8 Facts I listed & supported in my Post #500
     
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    What you do not seem to understand is the proof positive that has been demonstrated from the very origins of the Nuremburg Trials that demonstrated clearly the horror of Nazi crimes - including that or widespread murder of Jews.

    From Wikipedia: Nuremberg Trials

    Enough of the useless yapping. The fact that the Nazis generally committed genocide has been decided a long, long time ago in an international trial of the criminals that executed that crime against humanity.

    And this judgment was the first of its kind. It set the precedence for which all future crimes against humanity are judged in a criminal court of law ...
     

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