From He to She in First Grade

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  1. robini123

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    Indeed. I am a man with long hair and this drives some women wild, while to other women it is a total deal breaker and a turn off. Current social trends of masculine vs feminine are relative to today and will be different 100 years from now. Heck 100 years in the past the hat showed status, a hundred years before that many men had long hair. Fashion and style trends are progressive which some seem oblivious to. For all we know 100 years from now long hair will again be seen as masculine and most men will conform to that standard while the rebels will buck the system with short hair... oh the irony...
     
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    6 is not mentally mature enough to make said decisions. This is why we have set that age in our society to 18. If you grant them the mental fitness to be able to handle such concepts at 6, you're opening the door for them to be able to consent on much more.

    Perhaps the progressive endgame anyway?
     
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    Even granting this dubious assertion, so what?
     
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    How old were you when you chose your sexuality? Why did you choose the sexuality that you did? I argue that there is no choice as our sexuality is determined absent of our will. I always liked classic boy toys and activities, and when I was around 12 I started to notice that some of the girls had boobs and for some reason I wanted to grab them and bury my face between them. I had no choice in the matter of my sexuality and would say by 12 I became aware that I like girls as opposed to making a choice to like girls.
     
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    None of that has any bearing on the competancy and legitimacy we extend to children with regards to making said decisions. If you are going to support a child as young as 6 when he says he's a Girl...when science clearly shows he is not....why would you try and restrain his judgement anywhere else?


    Whatever he feels or doesnt feel changes nothing as to what we allow them to decide until the age we as a society have agreed on.
     
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    Moot point as sexuality is not a choice.

    Why would I care when being straight, gay, bi, or trans harms no one? What harm does being gay, trans, or bisexual in and of itself cause anyone?

    Moot point as there is no choice in our sexuality. Societies agreed age is arbitrary and most know their sexuality well before the age of majority.
     
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    exactly. 12 is probably the very earliest that these things need to be addressed. if they need to be addressed at all.

    these things a related to puberty and beyond.
     
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    First .... :alcoholic:

    Second, sexuality isn't a choice no, but let's look again at that word. SEXuality. A 6 year old has no more business thinking about it (you yourself admit to only beginning to think about it at age 12) than they have watching MA15+ movies. It's our job as parents to steer them AWAY from these kinds of problematic thoughts and potential fixations. ALLOWING them, or worse, encouraging them to dwell on it is reprehensible. A total and utter (*)(*)(*)(*) up.
     
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    There is no reputable scientific evidence that sexuality is not a choice. Your anecdote means nothing to anyone but yourself.

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    There is no reputable scientific study that shows sexuality is not a choice.
     
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    It also cannot be proven, so you simply have to take someones words or actions for it. 6 years old , in our society isnt an age that we believe to have the competancy for much of anything...much less telling you facts are wrong, and they arent what they biologically are.

    It harms the fundamentals of society to toss facts aside and go with fantasy. We dont live in a world where youc an just make up what youw ant to be. I'd love to still be 21...but facts say I am not, even though it would make me feel good. Likewise, while this Boy may enjoy wearing Girls clothes, he is not and never can be a Girl. What good does it do to encourage his delusion?
    And why just his? if the bar is set that feelings override facts, does everyone get to play along and submit their fantasies for validation as well? If things are about equality, then that answer is yes. If that answer is yes, well...you can image how crazy things can get.

    Best to stick with a society based around facts, as the human mind can come up with all kinds of fantasy.

    Society however has a choice in what they validate and when. This society has agreed upon an age when children can speak for themselves and be listened to, and it is not age 6.
     
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    Maybe It. Is. The. Last. Reincarnation. Or. Later which is causing that . that is what white people do non sense things , the demon way of life . We do not pray but exchange energies . But you do not understand that cause you are not conscious .
     
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    anybody can choose . but is it not embarassing when you are dead you discover that it was a demon or a past , future or present reincarnation . which was causing it . America does not have any spirituality any more . DEMONISM is rapant and so thje lord says .Take. For. Example this Jenner guy .after. Dead h . Discover . It. Was. Demons. Playing. Jokes what. Wil . He. Do . fin . Next victim. Americ . Ain't kno . Nothing. .kikiki
     
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    Says who and by what authority?
     
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    Perhaps sexuality is the wrong word so how about how ones gender identity. I think there is compelling evidence that some children know early on they they are not like other boys and girls when it comes to classical gender roles. I think forcing a child that identifies as the opposite gender to be the gender that they were born to is potentially harmful.

    Indeed, but my gender identity was male from my earliest memories and I gravitated towards classic boy activities and attire. Not all boys have or had my experience as some boys at a very early age gravitate towards classic girl activities and attire.

    Where we may disagree is that I argue that a child has no choice in their gender identity.
     
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    Nor is there irrefutable proof that it is a choice. When did you choose your gender identity and sexual orientation? How do you know it was a choice as opposed to a drive that happened absent your will?

    It is illogical by my measure of logic to claim to know the minds of others.
     
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    I completely agree yet argue that does not make me wrong.

    When did you choose your gender identity and sexual orientation? How do you know that it was a choice as opposed to a drive that happened absent your will?

    Is belief synonymous with fact? If not then what does it matter what society in general believes?

    Can you give me some specific examples of the harm caused?

    Indeed as gender identity and sexual orientation is not a matter of choice.

    And this matters why? What harm in and of itself does a boy wearing girls cloths cause others? I have asked this and similar questions many times and have never received an answer that showed that abnormal behavior is synonymous with harmful behavior.

    It allows one to be who they are. Delusion? Perhaps, but as a person is both mind and body I do not think there is conclusive evidence that one suffers from a delusion as the cause is still not known. We know much about our body, but the brain is for the most part still a mystery to us. To jump to a conclusion of a delusion is to make a claim without complete evidence from my perspective.

    Facts? What facts? Do you have all the facts or just some of the facts? How can one have complete knowledge of the facts based upon an incomplete knowledge of how the brain works?

    Society has partial knowledge which is not enough to come to an irrefutable conclusion IMO.

    Yet children can speak for themselves and we adults can listen to them at the age of 6, but a child's legal ability to make choices is very limited untill they reach the age of 18. IMO the best parents listen to their children vs just pushing the parents narrative upon their children.

    One last thing, thanks for being civil as it is refreshing and I wish more people could disagree is such a civil way.
     
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    And the FACTS are that in EVERY society, culture, and group in the planet, there are a relatively small humans (and other species) that defy the stereotypes and conventions of a rigid convention of physical norms, and even from birth these atypical members will defy convention, up to suicide and capital punishment to not physically conformance with their born birth gender.

    The "fantasy" is to ignore the plain fact that your "fantasy" is based on anything than the personal preference for people with no efforts or facts about science to make the rest of the everyone obey your rules.
     
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    What animal is it that switches genders throughout its lifetime? Worms?

    Maybe that's man's true nature. We can change genders multiple times throughout our lifetime.
     
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    Careful. If the leftist mob saw this response they'd boot you from the club and brand you a sexist transphobic racist.
     
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    Sounds so great, and empowered! Defy those conventions you free human lol.

    In the end however, a Male is still not a Female, and never will be..hence no reason to ever treat one as if.
     
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    Children just don't decide that - there are always outside factors (like parents pushing their kids to dress as the opposite sex) that creates these situations....

    Besides, little kids do goofy crap anyway...

    You could be a 6 year old would put on a dress just to see what it was like - not that he's NOT a boy but because he's curious as all kids get at that age.

    It's just the type of crap kids usually do.
     

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