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Discussion in 'Australia, NZ, Pacific' started by Sallyally, Oct 3, 2018.

  1. garry17

    garry17 Well-Known Member

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    Well, well now we have a serious incident and it comes from China. I really thought they were smarter than that but clearly they are starting to feel a wall at their backs.

    I believe, all this Middle East crap and Korean bashing are simple distractions on the world stage. This issue with China is the most dangerous the world faces today. This is where Trump in the white house is the worst thing this world faces, not because of his megalomania but his egocentric idealistic belief. Now to point similarity, just on this forum here people must win. If they are wrong run and hide, obfuscate and lie but never admit you’re wrong. Meet trump, how do you think this will end if this moron is pushing China to wall in an unwinnable game??? Maybe he could postpone until another election but the damage is done, but this is small in the scheme of things.


    Just a USSR found out, a socialist nation tends to fall behind open nations where creative thinking is rewarded, not just social standings. It was always going to be, China would benefit from opening it’s economy to the world in new tech (stolen??? Debatable). SO now we come to the realisation of spying and political interference being a reality. Turning blind eye to payments from other nations to influence political agenda and course of governance while debt dependency and simple taking the technology. BUT I do digress.


    China has promoted an aggressive stance in the region to push not only it’s agenda but range of influence. You have to remember, there is only one way socialism can survive and that is not singular in a divers world. So now it appears China has made it’s aggressive intentions known. You have to remember, world went to war over an assassination of a Hungarian. Don’t be facetious and claim that is the sole reason but the catalyst. Clearly China has met the peak of growth in the current markets and realise to survive change is needed. Unfortunately the change chosen is conflict. China and it’s allies have set the stage in a world where foolish flower power clowns have dominated populist policy rather than strong leadership and self-reliance.


    Yes What will happen next??? Just how many steps from war is the world??? Just a few now, I would suggest.
     
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    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    I have thought that china seizing that big chunk of trade route past the Spratling Islands would lead to a big confrontation, but Trump doesn't seem inclined to face them down.
    I agree that china has just increased its' markets and sources of supply with the 1B1R, massively.
    China now wields huge influence in the countries where it has loaned money- NB us, African countries, the countries along the old Silk Road.

    Taiwan will be the next to go. The renegade state ( rich in trade) will be brought back into China's fold.
    I agree that this is payback for the humiliation of China being forced into world trade and being dominated by the West.
     
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    The problem with the Spratling Islands was the fact that nations didn't want to upset the sleeping tiger that possessed huge portions of their economy.

    Also you have to remember, just in Australia, due to short sighted policies of many governments China remains the major trading partner without fall back or alternative. Complacency on the mining sector and ownership of industry has lead Australia to be open to failure.

    Huge donations to political parties and clear injections into political comment and policy have maintained the status quo. Politicians found to be profiteering from corrupt practices who has clearly treasonous actions just popped to the back bench to return for future once the acts can be watered down.

    Your fighting the war NOW, the troops haven’t marched but you’re definitely fighting the next world war. Manoeuvring for better strategic advantage ignored due to… politician and party pay off.

    I believe Taiwan will be the last to go, US has already stated their stance here even Trump has followed. The problem is, while the US has an ineffectual and moronic leader like Trump China just might push that button. Australia has already shown its hand with a current government far too weak to stand outside its interests to hold China to account, with an opposition being the sole property of China. Australia stands nothing to the Chinese program.

    I said a while back, the world is choosing sides, the question is now, is Australia brought by fools??? Just where does the rest of the region stand. I look to the alliances of China and again I thank my stars that Putin is about Russia. I think he is smart enough to realise Russia will chaff under Chinese leadership and ultimately would be detrimental to his interests. Obviously other supporting nations are lining behind as they think their interests will be promoted, but again your talking about stupid leadership like Australia has already.

    It is nice to see, somebody can discuss these issues not just partisan politics without their hate and vitriol trying to cloud the real issues.
     
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    Who was it that said, you dont have to fire bullets to have a war. It might end with a shooting war, but there are several ways a war can start, and I agree, we are at war atm.
    Australias problem is similar to the little village in the bush which attempts to exist under the shadow of a bigger city nearby ...eg Junee/Wagga...
    IE, we trade heavily with China, but we kowtow to the US...can we do both without being disintegrated...
    I dont know...whats the answer, when we have to rely on our "out of their depth" politicians who strut the
    world stage as though they are wise/ intelligent....big step from intelligence to wisdom....
    Australias geographic location is one problem, which obviously cannot be changed.....
    Australias leadership...sorry, lack of leadership is another...China takes our money (40 billion I think)
    so as we can be included in the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank but we receive no benefits from the gig...and we spend how much on warplanes, supplied by the US....
    Everyone is gearing up for war..no question about it...
    Problem is...where do our allegiances lie if the war is between the US and China.....
    We are all in a sh1t sandwiche, and we're gonna have to take a bite....
    Although I do not wish death on anyone...I wouldnt be the least bit surprised if Trump was assassinated.....
     
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    Make no mistake, war is far more than shooting at the enemy. When the bullets start flying the war is already decided…
    Australia reliance on other nations for not just defence capability puts it in precarious state. While these weak and populist Australian politicians buy the public vote with handouts while taking the bribes from nations to promote their own personal interests.

    However, let me point out the most glaring from the back, Why would anybody want to assassinate Trump??? He is successfully destroying American ability and stance on the world stage. Embarrassing his nation with his fear mongering racist enchantment of “build that wall”. He is holding government employees ransom while shutting government down for his egocentric demands. I would suggest China, Russia and every other enemy of the US will be paying people to protect the clown… As I said, Trump is the wrong man for war and the battle is already happening.

    Make no mistake, when China does decide to move on Taiwan, batten down the hatches. IF US and allies do nothing but say naughty, naughty. China will run amuck in the world stage. The line was drawn and I expect Trump will obfuscate and pretend nothing of the issue Showing the world just how badly he has been brought by nations such as China and Russia…

    The major question is where does Russia and their allies stand??? Will stand outside or have they already divided the world in their favour??? Should they stand with China just how long before they turn on the Chinese supremacy??? Will the war end in bloodshed or will it be sorted by decent diplomacy??? All questions that find Australia has got a bunch of weak politicians who think they can placate the people and the geopolitical scene and profit from both.
     
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    Deep State....
     
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    This is way past partisan politics, I agree.
     
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    This is serious issue, the world needs to take notice and stand. Unfortunately the world’s most powerful man makes Donald duck look like genius. Goofy would be proud.
     
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    I know its regarded as a permabear site...I dont really care about that...What I do care about is your opinion...can you please tell me on what experience/knowledge you base your opinion...Did you once write for them...or is this just an opinion based on squat......
     
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    What a polished turd Morrison is....no matter how much you polish a turd...its still a turd...
     
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    In a quote from the above New Yorker article they summarize the political stance of the blog, which Lokey told Bloomberg is: “Russia=good. Obama=idiot. Bashar al-Assad=benevolent leader. John Kerry= dunce. Vladimir Putin=greatest leader in the history of statecraft.”

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    Well, who woulda thought... a criticism of a right wing blog from a left wing source...one of your best darlin...ok...thanx for that....
     
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    Off the topic, but an observation on American culture.

    In 1861 the democratic country, the "United" States of America had a political problem. So how does a democracy solve it's political problems. It goes to war with itself.

    For four years a cloud of death descended across those "United" States, a cloud of hatred and the stench of death. It was countryman against countryman, father against son, brother against brother.

    In 4 long bloody years they managed to kill more of each other then all the other countries in all the other wars have put together.

    The country that is at the top of the list for killing the most American soldiers, is America. They are literally, "Their own worst enemy".

    The problem is ... The War Ain't Over!
     
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    Mate, there was a conspiracy theory about JFKs death and also about the attempted assassination of Reagan....I wouldnt be going the early crow and just dismissing this as just a conspiracy theory...You might pick up a newspaper one day....and guess what......
    When I was in the US, the Americans I spoke to were all over 9/11 as a conspiracy, and when I was in Dallas...same thing about JFK....we are quick to criticise these suggestions as just conspiracy theories from the other side of the planet, but until you sit down and talk to the Americans..we should refrain from dismissing them
     
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    I found it interesting in the US that some Americans didnt even know the real reason for the Civil war...they just blamed the south....
     
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    Imagine if the Nazi party held a parade in Paris on the 14th June, marching past the Arc de Triomphe.

    Well that would be the equivalent of some of the US civil war celebrations.
     
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    How many Australians know the real reason Australian, New Zealand and others were ordered to attack at Gallipoli?
     
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    Only you and me.....
     
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    How many Australians know the reason for the First World War itself. It's a lot more complex than WWII
     
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    You go over there and draw their fire while we sneak in over here safely.
     
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    Asps....very dangerous....you go first Indy....
     
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    Mate it is by definition, a Conspiracy Theory.

    It's about a group of people conspiring to assassinate the POTUS, a Conspiracy.

    It's not fact or there would be a lot in prison, it is against the law to plot to kill the POTUS. So it's a Theory.

    Conspiracy Theory
     
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