Gaza: From someone who's seen for himself.

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  1. Professor Peabody

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    [video=youtube;J-fh-fRs7To]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-fh-fRs7To[/video]

    Watch for yourself.
     
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    I mean you can only do it Snake Plissken style
     
  3. truth and justice

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    Now tell me how you are going to go 50 miles away from home and still be in Gaza................
     
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    Does Manhattan have farms? Does Mumbai have farms? Perhaps your figures would be relevant if you added the area required to sustain those living in New York and Mumbai and then work out the actual population density
     
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    Waiting for your apology before I tell you it was a typo to begin with.
     
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    Americans elected Obama so you should support every action he takes.
     
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    Just a thought - but I wonder if the children in Manhattan might be considered in danger if (a) they were not allowed to leave Manhattan, and (b) the area was under artillery and other high-explosive attack?
     
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    What's your point in questioning why I agreed with you on a specific point?.....Weird!

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    Perhaps he is reluctant to apologize for fear of criticism for doing so.
     
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    The almost continuous indiscriminate killing of Palestinian's including children (four of whom were playing on a beach) and the targeted pounding of civilian infrastructure including hospitals and schools in one of the most densely populated places on the planet within the confines of an effective open prison means that yes, Hamas should have fired their ineffectual rockettes from, say, Laurel Canyon in California:

    "And the deeper historical context is the fact that ever since 2005, the Gaza Strip is being—or people in the Gaza Strip are being incarcerated as criminals, and their only crime is that they are Palestinians in a geopolitical location that Israel doesn’t know how to deal with. And when they elected democratically someone who was vowed to struggle against this ghettoizing or this siege, Israel reacted with all its force. So, this sort of wider historical context, that would explain to people that it is a desperate attempt to get out of the situation that your previous interviewee was talking about, is at the heart of the issue, and therefore it is soluble. One can solve this situation by lifting the siege, by allowing the people of Gaza to be connected with their brothers and sisters in the West Bank, and by allowing them to be connected to the world and not to live under circumstances that no one else in the world seems to experience at this moment in time."

    http://www.democracynow.org/2014/7/28/professor_ilan_pappe_israel_has_chosen
     
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    A smoke trail from a long-range rocket lingers near Gaza City. Members of Congress have asked the United Nations to eliminate the stockpile of rockets held by the military wing of Hamas in the Gaza Strip.

    http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2014/07/25/what-would-happen-if-hamas-lost-all-of-its-rockets

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    Islamic Jihad claimed its militants fired a Fajr 5 which crashed into the sea off Tel Aviv on Thursday.

    Israel frequently reports the steady barrage of rocket fire it has had to endure, totaling 11,000 since it withdrew from Gaza in 2005, according to the Israeli Defense Forces.

    http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/11/17/250199.html

    Don't use kids as human shields or better stop attacking your neighbors.
     
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    What on earth has that got to do with my post?
     
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    It should be a part of Hamas strategy to keep the Palestinian people safe.
    If they want to fight Israel then it should be made on a place far away from populated areas, otherwise it will appear that they use the palestinian populace as human shields.
     
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    Well as we all know Israel is the country that uses Palestinians as human shields. It is Israel who is attacking Gaza. It is Israel who has blown up her only power plant. It is Israel who has murdered over 1100 Palestinians. It is Israel who has made 10% of Gaza homeless and who nonetheless even bombs the places she tells them to escape to....and why? Because Hamas had made a unity deal with Fatah which was accepted by the EU and the US, one in which Hamas allowed Fatah to rule and one in which she accepted the three conditions which have been repeatedly asked. That is what Israel could not stand and that is why Israel having pushed Hamas past what she could endure through assassination of her people, the arrest and imprisonment of around 500, many suffering enhanced interrogation techniques (torture), the collective punishment and house arrest of most of the West Bank including the killing of around ten some of them children and all the time screaming that she was going to make it unendurable for anyone to have any connection with Hamas. This is Israel's war against the people of Gaza in order to stop the ability of a unity Government from getting the Palestinians justice. That is what Israel could not stand. That is why she is murdering the people of Gaza and destroying their infrastructure even more.

    This massacre by the Israelis in Gaza will end with the end of the blockade. Anything else is just giving Israel permission to murder again and again while refusing people the basic necessities of life and refusing not only to allow the Palestinians the normal human and civic rights which our societies are supposed to protect but which Israel does not but also that due to the imprisonment of the people of Gaza in dire poverty without access to necessities, Israeli's blockade of Gaza is making Gaza uninhabitable.

    The blockade of Gaza will be ended not only so that the people of Gaza have an opportunity for a life but also to save Gaza as well.

    http://www.juancole.com/2014/07/gaza-cease-enough.html

    [video=youtube;XV17EQWvHgY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XV17EQWvHgY[/video]

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    How Israel is behaving is very wrong and you can bet your bottom dollar both the US and the EU know that beyond any doubt.
     
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    I do not know if this is true.

    The number of Palestinian workers from the West Bank who are employed in Israel, including in settlements, has increased from 77,000 in the first quarter of this year to 80,000 in the second quarter, according to a report published Wednesday by the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics.

    Of these workers, only 41,000 had a permit to enter Israel, while 22,000 worked without a permit, the report found.

    The number of Palestinians working in Israeli settlements increased from 13,000 in the first quarter of the year to 15,000 in the second quarter, the report said.

    The increase comes despite a ban issued by the Palestinian Authority against working in settlements.

    More than half of the Palestinians working in Israel and the settlements are employed in the construction sector, the report found.

    At the same time, the report stated, the average daily wage for Palestinians employed in Israel and the settlements increased from NIS 162 in the first quarter of 2012 to NIS 163 in the second quarter.

    According to the report, the rate of unemployment in the West Bank and Gaza Strip remains relatively high.

    In the West Bank, the unemployment rate during the second quarter of this year was 17 percent, while in the Gaza Strip the figure was 28%.

    The highest unemployment rate during this period was 35% among youth aged 20- 24, the report found. It said the highest unemployment rate in the West Bank was in Tulkarm with 25%. In the Gaza Strip, the highest unemployment rate was in Deir el- Balah, at 31%.

    The report concluded, however, that according to the relaxed definition of unemployment, the rate has decreased from 27% in the first quarter of the year to 24% in the second quarter.

    The number of Palestinians employed in the local market increased from 756,000 during the same period to 797,000. The services sector was the biggest employer in the local market, with 31% in the West Bank and 51% in the Gaza Strip, the report found.

    The public sector, on the other hand, employed 21% of workers – 38% in the Gaza Strip and 15% in the West Bank
    http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Number-of-Palestinian-workers-in-Israel-rises#!

    So if this is true,
    where is the animosity of Israel towards the Palestinians.
    They allow Palestinians within their folds to earn a living.
    The Israelis give them livelihood while the Hamas use them as human shields.
    Which is wrong?

    Then where is the other muslim brethens,
    why there is too much unemployment in Palestine?

    and as I could recount Israel would only react if threatened.
     
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    You are trying to deflect from what I said. I am not interested in going into that just now. However your unemployment for Gaza is way low. It is something between 40-60% possibly higher and the people relying on food welfare last I saw was now 80%. Now please go back and answer the issues I was talking about. I do not want at this time to spend hours speaking about the West Bank though your naive belief that those people are doing well there is untrue.

    Israel is massacring the people of Gaza because Hamas did as she was asked to and signed a unity deal with Fatah allowing Fatah to be head of the Palestinian authority and agreeing to the conditions asked for. This unity government was recognised by the EU and US. Israel went mad and the rest is above.

    I am tempted just to copy my post and put it again here. If you do not address the issues I have put there that is what I will do next time. When we have dealt with Gaza we might get onto the West Bank where ten people were murdered this weekend.
     
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    Spot on analysis. This is the transcript of an interview between journalist Amy Goodman from www.democracynow.org and Israeli historian, Ilan Pappe a couple of days ago alluding to something similar:

    http://www.democracynow.org/2014/7/28/professor_ilan_pappe_israel_has_chosen
     
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    Sorry but it's quite confusing,
    Is Israel fighting now with Fatah or with Hamas?
    as I could remember their is already an accord between Israel and Fatah way back 1993.
    Only Hamas gained political ground and thus Fatah was forced to reconcile with Hamas.
    What was the track record of Hamas?
     
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    Oh so you know nothing of the conflict. I am still waiting your response to post 115
     
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    Could you enlighten me please.:)
     
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    Check out and ask questions on post 15 and we will go from there but I do not understand why you were making opinionated views on this thread if you know nothing about the situation. Is it just Muslims you hate?
     
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    Yes I agree with him. He is right that it is very dangerous for Israelis to disagree with what is happening

    http://jfjfp.com/?p=62763

    I also think this seems to have come to some sort of an end game and it is the extremists who have won. If you noticed in that article under the video of the 'kill Gaza children' by Israeli Extremists, Arab citizens of Israel are being regularly attacked.

    On another site yesterday someone put in that video and asked if this was extremist or normal behaviour of people in Israel. An Israeli poster claimed not normal at all far more went on anti war marches and prayed for the children, yeah I don't think so but she had enough honesty to sneak in in a quiet way that she had a feeling this sort of activity was on the rise.
     
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    Nope, sorry if I offened you, but I really hate seeing irresponsibilities created leading to the death of innocent children and civilians.

    This portion did start the conflagration:
    June 27 – Israel releases the names of two Palestinians it says are responsible for kidnapping the teenagers, saying they had both served time in Israeli jails for "terrorist activity".

    Palestinian militants in Gaza fire five rockets at Israel, which says two of them were destroyed in flight by its 'Iron Dome' anti-missile system
    http://www.3news.co.nz/At-a-Glance-...flict/tabid/417/articleID/352928/Default.aspx
     
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    Sorry - couldn't let pass this one:

    Then you must be afraid like hell on the 4th of july. Palestinian qassams pack about the same amount of explosives, except most of them don't explose at all.

    Of course, if you hate your neighbor and want him gone, I guess that's just as good a casus belli as anything.
     
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    You irritated me by deflecting from what was said. I don't believe you are as ignorant as you claim. You clearly have a vested interest as you claimed Hamas was responsible for the deaths as she was using the population as human shields. It's not impossible but I think that is more one of the slogans. If New York was being attacked by the rest of the United States you could say the same thing. It is saying civilians are human shields for living in Gaza. In contrast to this we do have much documentation of the IOF deliberately using Palestinians as Human shields and risking their lives giving them that as a choice or being killed by them. I responded to this in post 113 and you deflected. Deflection is actually against the rules I think. It certainly used to be.
    You must have seen the multitude of posts concerning this. Israel believed these people were responsible for the killing from day one. Israel knew the teens were dead from day one. These people as have been reported are not working for Hamas. They are a rogue cell who work against Hamas and peace. Israel wanted a way to destroy the unity government. By all accounts she had been creating a strategy similar to what she put into effect before the teens were kidnapped. Now these two men disappeared around the time the kids disappeared. That is the only reason they are being blamed. It is not impossible they have been killed. There has been no court action on this although without that Israel destroyed the homes of their families. What Israel did know from the beginning was that it was not Hamas. However she lied about this and said it was Hamas. She claimed she would make it intolerable for anyone to even mention the name of Hamas. She started assassinating Hamas members in Gaza. She put all of the West Bank in lockdown and arrested 500 or more mostly with some relationship with Hamas. Most of these people she has kept in jail. Many of these people were tortured. It has been documented that some soldiers looted Palestinians homes. During this around ten Palestinians were killed and many injured....all to make Hamas fight back which she eventually did. Part of her agreement for the unity government was that she not engage in violence so Israel won what she set out to achieve, the destruction of the Palestinian Unity Government which was much much more dangerous to Israel than terrorism as they would have found it reasonably easy to get justice started for the Palestinians. However do not expect Israel has fooled anyone. The US and the EU will know exactly what she has done. For the rest go back to post 113 concerning Israel's massacre of Gaza's civilians and why this must end with the end of the blockade.

    If you seriously did not know this before now you do but it has been discussed quite often in these threads. I never take one newspaper article as the truth. You need to do more research to find it.
     
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    Sorry to say this, but you sound so theoretical.
    Why did Hamas reacted with rockets when it should only be confined with the 2 Palestinians.
    Why escalate? when it should only be a civilian abduction/homicide case? What's with the military act?
     

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