Gaza under attack

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  1. Pisa

    Pisa Well-Known Member

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    Hamlet was right, too much protesting notwithstanding, wasn't he?
     
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    You can find this photo also here: https://www.triposo.com/loc/Gaza_Strip/history/background

    Friends of misanthropic governments and rogue states all reject Wikipedia. Even some users in the local Holocaust Denier threads say Wikipedia is "Zionist-controlled". :D
    The same goes for Amnesty International. It's also hated by this clientele.
     
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    And again, only one person. He seems to be an employee/waiter.
    How does hotels in Gaza survive when they're constantly empty?
     
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    Not necessary. There are many films about Gaza, including how it is today ...

     
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    Death why are you saying that in response to what I said. I am sorry that your family suffered unmentionable horror and pain because they were Jews but that would not give them the right to do that to others if that is what you are saying.

    I am well aware that not all Jews or all Israelis are Monsters.I am not sure what you were doing in Israel and what Palestinians you were working with. Lots of Jews work to help Palestinians. Indeed some American Jews say they do this because they were brought up to help the oppressed and the Palestinians are the oppressed so the people they need to help. With respect to the children in Gaza speaking after Cast Lead. The reality is that children in Gaza almost exclusively know Jews as people who harm them in just the same way as you would appear to only know Jews as people who are harmed.

    I am aware of that. Is this you again justifying the hell the people of Gaza experience? Did you know that in Israel instead of saying 'Go to hell' they say 'Go to Gaza.. There is a lot of concern about torture of children of Palestinians in the West Bank when they are taken into custody. I also am aware that when children are brutalised the response can vary from turning into psychopaths doing same to others to those who will work to help others so harmed. What seems to make the difference is whether they have an adult who they can trust and who works to show them humanity and a positive way out. This would appear to be you again feeling upset at my reporting that in a British Documentary with the children of Gaza after Cast Lead the children were all saying they wanted to be terrorists to avenge what had been done to their family and that they did not understand why Jews wanted to kill them they just knew they did - and they did I think use the word Jews though probably Israeli Jews. This is a perfectly normal thing for children to feel when they are being continually traumatised as children in Gaza are. As to how they are when they grow up, that is another thing. Given the hell they have been through all their lives I have been touched by the humanity of the Palestinians. In the past this I think has been helped by their knowledge that the outside world has compassion for them and feels for them and they have been helped by the good education they have received. People in Gaza have received some of the best education in the world. Some time ago 972 had an article about a group of young Israelis who had started communicating with them via skype or similar. The young Israelis were quite amazed at how much they could identify with the people of Gaza. That was a genuine interest from people in Israel to gain a real understanding of what life was like in Gaza. That however does not stop the reality that Gaza is hell. The situation will no doube be getting worse as the US's actions on stopping funding to Gaza are likely to make the possibility of education massively reduced and as far as International Support - well it is difficult to think that the fact that when they went on their Great March to make clear that they have a legal right to land in Israel, Israel responded by shooting them at will including medics, children and even people with no legs. The US appeared to applaud this. So even when they were prepared to give their lives, the ability of the world to offer them support is now pretty much gone. I hear there has been a massive increase in suicide in Gaza since this time. It is not surprtising that they will psychologically be feeling all hope is gone. Even as far as the Documentary the UK did after Cast Lead, that would not be done now. To report on what happens to the Palestinians is now considered antisemitism despite the reality that Jews are the strongests people wanting justice for the Palestinians and wanting Israel to start living b y Jewish values.

    Children in Gaza know nothing else from Israeli soldiers. After they had experienced Cast Lead it could be said that it was even psychologically beneficial for them to all be thinking that when they were grown up they would get revenge for their loved ones killed and injured and left homeless. There may be individulas who have had a different experience but whether it is Israeli soldiers shooting them when they are trying to fish or work their farms, or shootings at the border. or shootings when they protest or bombing them most days, or using the sonic booms they do all the time which makes it impossible to sleep or doing a mass bombing on them or any of the war attrocities which were done with the invasion in 2014, they would have to be made to deny their expierience and imagine something else is real for them to think otherwise and that is not easy to children who are experiencing such ongoing trauma. That being said Palestinains are aware that there are Jews who are working to get justice for them. I have read of several Jews going to help and being afraid to say they are a Jew and then when they do finding they are just as welcomed or possibly more so. Palestinians do not hold what Israel does against them against Jews in general.
     
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    Yes necessary.
    The pro hatred BDS films are lies.
    Do you support Hamas ?
     
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    How should I know that someone who said BDS would lie isn't himself a liar?

    I support BDS and respect the Hamas because they fight against oppression and occupation.
     
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    Hamas are terrorists.
    You respect Palestinian terror.
    Good for you.
    Alahhh Akbarrr
     
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    Yeah....nope.

    It clearly says on the photo "from Wikipedia by Marius Arnesen from Oslo, Norway". The only source for this mix-up is Wikipedia.

    You can clearly see the hotel here:
    https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/...s-al-deira-hotel-carry-a-news-photo/452220032
    https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/...militant-from-the-popular-news-photo/57078595

    Anyone can edit Wikipedia, then post a quote from the edited article.
    https://www.pcworld.com/article/170874/The_15_Biggest_Wikipedia_Blunders.html

    There might be some people out there who still think Robbie Williams ate pet hamsters for money, because Wikipedia said so...

    Don't get me started on Amnesty. You'll never hear the end of it. Better ask one of their former employees, Gita Sahgal.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/apr/25/gita-sahgal-amnesty-international
     
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    That's true, but misinformation doesn't last long. For each topic, there are a few knowledgeable users who do quality control.

    Try it yourself. Modify a Wikipedia article. Put in arbitrary bullshit. You risk your IP address being blocked. :)
     
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    Yaser Tfu Arafat said to the israelis
    "If you don't like it, you can go and
    drink ( tishrab ) from the sea ( bahar )".
    And that's the terrorist which invented the name Palestinians.
    Blood is their way of life.
     
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    Political bias and ideological agendas escape scrutiny in most cases. Quotes taken out of context, or even slightly "doctored", are also hard to detect.

    Let's ask someone who knows better: Larry Sanger, the co-founder of Wikipedia.
    https://larrysanger.org/2020/05/wikipedia-is-badly-biased/
     
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    Because I don't care if you remain ignorant and clueless, and don't feel personally responsible for your lack of any googler skills.
     
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    Ignorant people can agree on lots of things, especially if they support terrorist regimes who make a good living extorting others, as faux 'Palestinians' do.
     
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    Calm down dear, I asked you to show where these numerous Olympic swimming pools were, you couldn't. Now you are making things up and insinuating rubbish to cover your embarrassment. Such is the outlook of a zealot.
     
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    The photos on booking websites - like Tripadvisor, where I found most of the photos - don't feature people. But there are reviews, from people who were there. Read them.

    Reading between captions lines (or between pixels in a photo) helps. For instance, this photo tells us that Blue Beach Resort is a favorite with the rich:
    https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/...t-18-palestinian-ida-abu-news-photo/485069690

    There are people - obviously not employees - in this photo taken at Al Mashtal Hotel:
    https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/...on-for-19-years-tries-to-news-photo/462414706

    I find it odd that anyone would expect photos of people when searching for a hotel.

    The Waldorf Hilton, London:
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    OMG, no people there, either. The Zionist entity must finance it, too, for some nefarious purpose or other. Right?
    https://www.hilton.com/en/locations/united-kingdom/london/
     
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    Because a lot of people don't want their pics in ads, and I would imagine that goes double for the people who visit Gaza, especially all those fake 'journalists' who work for Reuther and the like, and certainly not those news readers from the major networks who like to pose in the 'ruins' looking 'serious and concerned n stuff' for a few minutes before racing back for Happy Hour. 3 and 4 star hotels aren't like Motel 6, who can pay some families passing through to pose around the little pool for some dinner coupons or something.
     
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    You're kidding me, bro. You demonize Wikipedia but post pictures from "Gettyimages" where anyone can upload total nonsense? You can't be serious!

    A well-frequented area shows potential customers how popular the hotel is. Have you ever seen advertisements from travel agencies?

    And, BTW, why do they never offer holidays in the Gaza strip?
    I answer that for you. It's not funny to be there. And it's even less funny when Zionists are on their blood rush again.
     
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    You act as if you don't know that Israel created Hamas(1) to help divide the Palestinians and avoid a peace deal with the PLO since Israel has made it clear that it does not want peace(2).

    The Palestine's native residents, via Hamas, are simply resisting the oldest & most brutal foreign funded occupation in modern history.

    Can you name any other group of people who have not resisted such a ruthless foreign funded occupation as Palestine's native residents have?


    (1) "BLOWBACK: HOW ISRAEL WENT FROM HELPING CREATE HAMAS TO BOMBING IT"
    https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/

    EXCERPT "But did you also know that Hamas — which is an Arabic acronym for “Islamic Resistance Movement” — would probably not exist today were it not for the Jewish state? That the Israelis helped turn a bunch of fringe Palestinian Islamists in the late 1970s into one of the world’s most notorious militant groups? That Hamas is blowback?

    “Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation,” Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009." CONTINUED


    (2) "Israel Does Not Want Peace"
    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-does-not-want-peace-1.5253291

    EXCERPT "Rejectionism is embedded in Israel's most primal beliefs. There, at the deepest level, lies the concept that this land is destined for the Jews alone.

    Israel does not want peace. There is nothing I have ever written that I would be happier to be proved wrong about. But the evidence is piling up. In fact, it can be said that Israel has never wanted peace – a just peace, that is, one based on a just compromise for both sides.

    The single most overwhelming item of evidence of Israel’s rejection of peace is, of course, the settlements project." CONTINUED
     
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    Haaretz is a pro Islamo Palestinian extreme lift wing "Newspaper".
    And Gazans are origin Egyptians.
     
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    Every Egyptian has more rights on Palestinian soil than any Zionist immigrant from Europe. Citizens of the so-called Israel are all occupiers. There are in fact no "Israeli civilians". They're all members of a military fort of an occupying power. They don't have to be surprised if they're constantly being fought.
     
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    You wrote you support and respect Hamas.
    Hamas wants to destroy Israel and murder all it's Jewish citizens.
    We understand you support that Islamo Arsbo Jihado Nazi idea.
    Allahh Akbaarrrt ??
     
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    Hamas wants to shake off the Zionist foreign rule from Palestine. That doesn't necessarily have to do with murder.

    Islamophobia kicks you really hard, lol. :D
     
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    I understand Arabic.
    I know what they say and what the bastards mean.
    Go shake bananas with apple juice , not Israel.
    Arabs are starting to know that the so called Palestinians are the problem.
     
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    I melted down your response to me Alexa. You took a lot of time responding thank you. I do not agree with most of what you say as i believe it stereotypes and generalizes a wide range of complex reactions, feelings, opinions, perceptions.

    I can only speak for myself and others I know who are Israeli and/or Jewish and who wore a uniform and say they-we-he-me-she-us whatever reference you want, do/does not hate Palestinians, do/does not wish Palestinians harmed.

    We are however and make no mistake about it at war with Hamas and the PA who started a war back in 1949 and have yet to give it up.

    I and Israelis and Jews and Palestinians, we all know what we know. For some it has entrenched an inability to forgive and move on.

    Currently Hamas and the PA will not accept an Israeli state.

    Most engage believe they can take back Israel either by force, or by mass migration and turn it into a Muslim state by sheer population numbers.

    I also believe certain Israelis in government are corrupt and as corrupt as Palestinian politicians and that does not help.

    As for children I have seen things. I have experienced things. I have seen "children" who you or Westerners call "children" because of their biological age but are NOT children. I have seen these "children" get recruited, used as bombs, smugglers, prostitutes and sex toys, tunnel diggers, props to be shot and killed all in the name of a cause forced upon them by adult Palestinians.

    I do not believe all children who are Palestinian hate me although you are right many fear the IDF of course.

    There is an existential state I live in over specific issues that do not allow feeling as it would be meaningless.

    At another level I do not look at a child and see Palestinian or Israeli, I just see a child and something in me is activated to remove them from line of fire. Other than that I am nobody and have not much more to say other than in my world there is no innocence-just degrees of subjective perception by people often triggered by their environments, diet and genetic makeup.

    You don't know me but probably think you do. You don't. I am a shadow. I have no face. Where I come from is wind. We can come with great force or mild barely felt breeze. We could be warm or hot, subtle and silent or blatant, violent and loud. We can come in the night or day. Most times you never notice us. Our job is to clean up dead bodies and prevent dead bodies. Stray dogs and children don't fear us. They come to get something to eat or to kill. Either way we respond.
     
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