Gazans are victims of an ideology of hatred

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    Palestinian rioters, who are sending flaming kites across the border and vandalizing goods and fuel pipelines aimed at easing the Gazans’ life, couldn’t care less about the distress in the strip. On the contrary, they want to increase it, because that’s Hamas’ ideology—destruction and ruin.
    Israelis, all Israelis—apart from a minority of hard-hearted people—are looking at the residents of the Gaza Strip with great sadness. It’s such a pity: An unemployment rate of 60 percent among young Gazans, a serious shortage of clean water and medications, and power supply only several hours a day.
    Most Israelis would like to see Gaza blooming and thriving. Once, before the disengagement, there were plans to build the “Singapore of the Middle East.” For the first time in their short history, the Palestinians gained sovereignty, even if it was over a small territory.
    It could have been a wonderful beginning. Without occupation. Without settlements. Without Israel. The crossings to Israel and Egypt were operated under agreements which the European Union was part of. Goods were flowing in. An entire world was watching them with a huge desire to help. Mohammad Dahlan, who dealt with the disengagement on behalf of the Palestinian Authority, appointed teams with 42 experts who were supposed to fulfill the Singapore dream with the World Bank’s help.
    We know what happened next. Instead of Singapore, we got Afghanistan. It happened primarily because the industry of hatred overpowered the industry of prosperity. Hamas took over the strip with shocking violence, which included mass executions. The cancellation of the crossing agreements led to a siege, which Israel never wanted. But that’s exactly what Hamas wanted.
    Gaza turned into a mass of oppression, distress and self-victimization. The settlements’ industrial zones turned into ruins or into jihad training camps. The strip was covered with great darkness. Once again, we learned that wherever radical Islam rears its head, the result is destruction, ruin and bloodshed. Gaza suffered the same fate. Not because of Israel, not because of Egypt, but because dark Islam provided the only thing it can provide—destruction.
    Now, it’s the protests. Many of the strip’s residents know Hamas is exclusively responsible for the great darkness that has fallen upon them. But God forbid should they point an accusing finger at the ones who are really responsible for this situation. After all, those who take part in the border fence protests have become addicted to the Hamas-made industry of incitement.
    In their time of need, the victims turn to the mosques, where they receive an increased dosage of incitement. There’s no need for everyone to fall for it. But there are enough incited and miserable young people who are willing to sacrifice themselves and their people for an ideology of hatred.
    Both last week and this Friday, a force of those incited people made it to the Gazan side of the Kerem Shalom Crossing, the place where goods are delivered to the strip’s residents. Hamas often uses the goods for its own purposes or passes them on to its people. Nevertheless, after Egypt dealt the tunnels a critical blow, and in light of the fact that the Rafah Crossing is kept closed most of the time, the Kerem Shalom Crossing is the Gazans’ doorway for flour and fruit and vegetables and fuel. Without it, their distress will reach new heights.
    The rioters, who are defined in different newspapers—sometimes in Israel too—as “innocent protestors” or “innocent civilians”—couldn’t care less about that. They aren’t seeking peace. They aren’t sending swastika kites or incendiary kitesover the border in a bid to solve their distress. On the contrary, they want to increase it, because that’s the ideology of Hamas and Islamic Jihad—destruction and ruin. That’s why they set fire to the goods and fuels aimed at easing, if only a little, the Gazans’ distress.
    Twice the past year, the IDF destroyed terror tunnels built under the Kerem Shalom Crossing. Why would they build them there of all places? Why hurt themselves? This is incomprehensible to a stranger. Irrationality is their logic. Because self-harm is easier to market than reconstruction and welfare and livelihood. So some Hamas members build tunnels under the Kerem Shalom Crossing, and other Hamas members work to vandalize the crossing and the goods which were supposed to reach the strip’s residents.
    This is the grim reality. Nevertheless, we should offer them—even Hamas—everything. Both to lift the siege and increased aid, as well as a chance for prosperity and welfare—as long as Hamas accepts the international community’s conditions, which include demilitarization in exchange for reconstruction.
    Many people in the world have trouble understanding that Hamas is the problem. A major, dramatic Israeli proposal could change the picture. Hamas would likely turn it down, but the picture would be much clearer. And because this is a battle over public opinion, an Israeli proposal is a must.

    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5252626,00.html

    Gazans are victims of an ideology of hatred





     
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    Except for the IDF, no doubt...

    Yes, it's called ZIONISM
     
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    Imagine my friends - what will happen if 40000 Kurtz walk with molotov bottles to the Turkish border ... OMG
    40000 deads.
     
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    But there was not 4,000 people walking with molotov bottles to the Israeli border, so your excuse for the massacre is what, exactly? There were not 4,000 demonstrators sending 4,000 flaming kites into the air hoping the wind would take them somewhere to kill people before they burned out. In fact, I believe at least one of the fires was started by people in Israel trying to do the same on the other side of the fence...and nobody died...so not such a violent demonstration, then. If any REAL weaponry of any kind has been found, it certainly hasn't been reported on the media where I am, and if there had been any I can assure you it would have been exaggerated at least ten-fold by the western media. As far as I can see the snipers were there to do exactly what they did....disperse a generally peaceful demonstration which might have embarrassed the Israeli government and the USA, on the day of the celebrations of Trump's latest idiocy, using bullets. It is well past time Israel became a pariah state in the world until its Government decides to abide by the rules it agreed to adhere to when it joined the UN 70 years ago. Enough is enough....and if that makes me an anti-semite, then I am proud to be one.
     
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    You can be proud of what you wish.
    At the end of the day NO country in the world .. NO ONE.. Will agree that violent mass protestors try to cross their borders.
    With knives and Quran Hamas wish to kill Jews in their hearts.
    Give us a break
     
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    No, It's called Islam.
     
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    If you are allowed to take land by conquest, The Jews own Israel.

    If you are not allowed to take land by conquest,
    The Jews own from the Nile to the Euphrates.
     
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    Balderdash! Protesters, some of which had kites to whivh they appended flames and flew in the hopes the wind would be kind and float them into Israeli territory without going out....where is the violence warranting being KILLED by snipers? How many hectares of Israel did they burn and how many people were hurt by their violent attacks, anyway? I have seen no mention of knives...and believe me, if there were knives, our media(and the Israeli government ) would have transmogrified them into swords, machetes and rifles with bayonets by now.

    I personally don't find the Quran any more dangerous than the Bible, the Tanach, the book of Mormon or any other religious tome...they are all as bad for society and social cohesion as each other. It appears that Hamas is to the Israel Government the same kind of scapegoat the SNP is to the Westminster one....a useful method of ramping up hatred against a specific bogyman as a distraction from the rankly bad policies they are pursuing as a method of persuading the sheeple to allow them to do anything they want. Maybe too many American and British Jews in Israel...as those in the Israeli Government all seem to have the same kind of attitude as those irrational Governmental bullies on my block..
     
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    The Qur'an is only 14% of Islamic text, and the real juicy stuff is in Taburi, and Ishaq, Muhammeds biographies, and it is far more dangerous, violent, than any book of any religion on earth.
     
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    no its called Neo-Zionism
     
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    yes, many Israeli Jews hate Muslims.

    this is how they justify 58 dead in one day
     
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    As an American Jew and anti Zionism .. you should be happy.
     
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    im not anti-Zionist.

    I am anti-NEO-Zionist.
     
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    Good for you.
    Enjoy your black suit and best regards to your Rabbai
     
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    I am a secular Jew, not Hasidic.
     
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    What's your evidence for this happening in Gaza' MGB? 40000 Gazans ... remember. Off you go. We are waiting.
     
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    Exactly.
    40000 Gazans marched towards the Israeli border .. 62 dead .. 50 are Hammas terror members ... 3 are from the Islamic Jihad .. and the 9 stupid Gazans whom were paid 100$ to tear the fence.
     
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    Excellent!!
    1) That cleared up, let us match the fact that 40 000 was the totality (thanks btw) with your analogy of 40 000 Kurds carrying petrol bombs to the Turkish border. You are clearly claiming that all 40 000 Gazans were carrying petrol bombs, no debate necessary. Or did you make another exaggeration error? Ooops. How many were actually carrying petrol bombs, MGM, disguised as video-cameras, Palestinian flags and used tyres, or hidden in bare hands?
    2) What is your point about 50 of the dead being members of Hamas, the political party that won the free-and-fair 2006 elections? Can Hamas claim that it is OK to kill Israelis because most are Likud members - a party which denies the Palestinians the right to their own state - i.e. the destruction of the state of Palestine - see https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Likud-votes-to-oppose-Palestinian-state-500847
    3) Your evidence that the protesters were paid $100 each - specifically according to you - to "tear down the fence" - I mean REAL facts, please, not more fantasy. My evidence from The Times of Israel is totally at odds with your unsubstantiated claim - see https://www.timesofisrael.com/israe...but-death-toll-means-hamas-can-claim-win-too/ - REAL facts do matter, MGB.

    You are not up to your old tricks of suggesting that your speculations represent REAL facts, are you, MGB? One quickly loses all credibility when one does that.
     
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    Paleshtino Jihado supporters are Not known for their credibility.
    1) I agree , not all 40000 Gazan carried petrol bombs .. That's why the few tiny dead account.
    50 members of Hamas and 3 from the Islamic nazi Jihad organization.
    2) Hamas has Political party and military ( Sharqat al-Maqawama al-Islamiyya ) branch ..
    Spare us about democracy in Gaza .. The idea is pathetic
    3) You post "facts" from Haaretz - the 50% Paleshtino fifth column so called "newspaper" , yet you do not want facts from A respectable, democratic newspaper "The times of Israel".
    REAL facts do matter, Klipy
     
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    I'm sure many Jews hate, ( probably dislike) Muslims because of what they represent, and act on daily.
    Muslims however, are ordered to hate jews in their stupid religion. When that sicko religion is pounded into your head, from your earliest childhood memories, there will be a larger percentage of people who actually follow it.
     
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    Gazans being victims of their own ideology of hatred is no different from Catholics hatred of the USA for letting JFK get assassinated by the Catholic Church & collecting for it as Islam has done for the 9/11 attack so their 'death to the infidels' ideology could collect while that patriot act also profited. Gazans attempting to profit by gaining Gaza is justified......
     
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    the Koran calls Jews "people of the book".
     
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    Jews and Christians.
     

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