Gee... What Did I Do?

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by Thought Criminal, Sep 23, 2018.

  1. Thought Criminal

    Thought Criminal Well-Known Member Donor

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    People would call me 'white'.

    NO ONE in my ancestry was in the USA prior to 1914.

    All four of my grandparents emigrated from Eastern Europe, where their cultural history was one of being oppressed. They came here to escape what would come to be called World War One, and the chance for a better life.

    They came here without ever having owned a slave. I don't know what their feelings were toward the oppression of 'black' people. All that I know is that any racist remarks, that I picked up from friends, were severely reprimanded.

    Given that history; what makes me responsible for any injustice done to 'black' people? My skin color?

    Please explain how that isn't racist.
     
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    You're light skinned of European descent therefore you "owe" because "your ancestors owned slaves," "you owned slaves," "you benefit from slavery," etc.

    And yeah it's racist.

    I have American colonial ancestry on my father's mother's side that dates as far back as the 1650s in New Amsterdam. I've traced as much as I can, and I haven't found a single slave owner.

    What I've found instead were people who were active in the Abolitionist movement, fought for the Union Army, one was a cartographer for the Union Army, a brother of one was hanged in West Virginia with a couple other guys because they conspired to murder a man for having Confederate sympathies, a brother of another nearly died in the Civil War, fighting for the Union, shot in the arm. At least three of my direct ancestors were Revolutionary War veterans.

    Most of my ancestors came to America after the Civil War. I'm a first generation American on my mother's side.

    But you see, in all of that, I have been told that I "owe," "benefit," "owned slaves," etc.

    Yeah, it's racist.

    And they purposely ignore that only about 5% of southern whites owned slaves, because it was something basically only rich people could afford.

    It's a racial shakedown racket and nothing more.
     
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    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Who said you were specifically and personally responsible for injustices done to black people in the past?
     
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    Thought Criminal Well-Known Member Donor

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    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Any real people?
     
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    Even if your ancestors specifically didn't own slaves the American economy benefited from the enslavement of people of African descent who were excluded from equal protection under the law for most of American history after slavery was abolished and faced many hardships. If you have racist views today you ought to be ashamed of yourself whether your ancestors were slave owners or not. In fact if your ancestors were abolitionists then you REALLY should be ashamed of yourself because you are not honoring their legacy. I don't believe that Whites living today should be ashamed for the atrocities of their ancestors. If your ancestor was a slave owner or a Nazi soldier that is not your fault. However you should be mindful of the history of racism and how it affects people across generations. Neo-Nazis, Neo-Confederates and other like-minded racist bigots should be ashamed of their own behavior and judged harshly for being racist.

     
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    It’s a strange thing, but I guess some people think you “owe” in the same way some conservatives think a black doctor is responsible when a BLM kid throws a rock at a police car or a black person who lives In Tennessee should be able to influence crime in Chicago. Lots of strange ideas out there.
     
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    It’s something that happens on both sides - we constantly read threads from conservatives who blame all blacks or Latinos for the actions of less than 15% of those groups.

    Lots of glass houses in this thread.
     
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    Slavery was largely confined to farm labor in the south. Where is the southern economic powerhouse that slavery built? Much of the south is still an economic backwater. The innovations happened in parts of the country where slavery was outlawed. Are you suggesting a reparations program based merely on nationality?


    You mean in lowering their collective IQs? There is no body of scholarship that shows that, as I've already pointed out. We aren't even seeing gray matter differences related to severe stress and traumas. You don't seem to understand the resiliency of the human brain.
     
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    Oh no, we all know that collective blame is OK when white people are the ones in question. I don't see anyone making threads blaming all blacks or Latinos for the actions of a few but there are many bashing whites collectively, white history, white identity, invoking "global white supremacist" conspiracy theories on par with yesterday's "International Jew" theories. The anti-white conspiracy theorizing has gotten so bad it's on campus, movies, television, and politics. We have entire degree tracks based on "whiteness studies."

    That general philosophy is from the field called Critical Race Theory of which media-cited activists like Tim Wise are a part.

    Imagine if colleges had "blackness studies" which claimed a culture of crime based on crime data and claimed that black identity was revolved around that criminal activity. It's no less racist when the word "white" is attached.

    For years it was widely believed that the Willie Lynch (Will he lynch?) letter hoax was real, and all whites were tarred for that as well which is reminiscent of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" blood libel hoax.

    And oh yeah, then there's the small pox blankets story...
     
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    Stay out of the sunlight to avoid melting there lil' man.
     
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    You are not. But it does not follow that the society collectively has no responsibility or more to the point - a viable and measurable self- interest in mitigating the damage done by racism, regardless of your conduct or that of your grandparents.
     
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    Except that only holding whites to the standard of "mitigating damage done by racism" when we have a prolific issue of anti-white racism which is being ignored or justified. Thus the standard anti-racist movement is actually racist because they aren't addressing anti-white racism.

    Yeah and society doesn't have collective responsibility for anything, unless you're suggesting inherited, collective guilt?
     
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    Virtually all big and medium size companies have been making extraordinary efforts to hire ie, Blacks, to avoid any Govt or social Charge of Bias. And have been doing so for 30 years.
    I personally participated in that effort for my company. (High Skill Math Wall St). Good luck with that!

    They (like Elite colleges) want to get [Blacks] up to app their same population percent, DESPITE the fact that their Achievement testing as a group does not come near justifying those positions.

    We discriminated against Asians heavily as a society, Chinese (Exclusion Act, etc, etc), Japanese internment, etc, yet those groups OUT-perform whites.
    Yet THEY are the victims of Reverse discrimination to accommodate a group whose biggest problem is not societal Racism, but low natural IQ. (as can be seen at all income levels, and worldwide.)

    Elite/high end Colleges who are not permitted to play 'quota' are way/dramatically overweight higher IQ Asians/underweight blacks..
    as are Tech companies.
     
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    Some white person somewhere did something wrong in the past, ipso facto, you're to blame.

    You share the evil white gene.

    Only white people can be racist. Duh.
     
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    This is always the strategy of the left.

    Tear everyone else down to the lowest common denominator, then proceed to bask in mediocrity.
     
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    You and I do not see collective responsibility the same way. I think people and society can have a responsibility to help people even if they did not directly cause a harm. I won't walk by a bleeding child, even if I did not wound him. I feel a responsibility to do something, to act. I see collective responsibility the same way. Insofar as racism is either an individual or collective harm, we have a responsibility to address it.
     
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    I didn't say anything about reparations. The South benefited financially from slavery. A lot of it is still underdeveloped but there are also a lot of wealthy towns and cities which would have been even more successful if it weren't for the Civil War.

    https://www.history.com/news/slavery-profitable-southern-economy

    If the Confederacy had been a separate nation, it would have ranked as the fourth richest in the world at the start of the Civil War. The slave economy had been very good to American prosperity. By the start of the war, the South was producing 75 percent of the world’s cotton and creating more millionaires per capita in the Mississippi River valley than anywhere in the nation. Slaves represented Southern planters’ most significant investment—and the bulk of their wealth.


    Research shows that Blacks are at a higher risk of developing dementia due to health conditions such as diabetes that are related to stress and diet and disproportionately affect people from lower income families (Liu, 2015). There are many environmental conditions that correlate with Socioeconomic Status which can stunt the average IQ of a population. This isn't in dispute even among racial hereditarians. The brain is indeed resilient and I never disputed this. The fact that a person can be born in a bad environment and grow up to be rich and successful despite trauma (ex. Oprah Winfrey) proves that.

    In fact I posted a video from a famous neurosurgeon speaking on this very point!



    Your strawman argument over IQ aside the sensitivity of groups like African-Americans and Hispanics to racism is perfectly understandable given the history of racial abuse their ethnic group has collectively suffered.

    These racist outbursts by Whites are intolerable and despicable:





    Of course Whites are not the only people who can be racist or cause trouble with their racial abuse of other groups but the history of racism in America makes the reaction to racial abuse different. White people don't get nearly as upset at Blacks being racist for example because they experience less racism in their lives, don't grow up with disturbing images and stories about the oppression of their ancestors and in America are the majority with more areas where they can live in a safe and secure environment where they don't have to worry about people in their social and professional life being racist towards them.

    In other words when it comes to racism people like you have it good. How often are you harassed or abused for being White?
     
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    Resistance to racism is also racist. You're supposed to have damaged feels about it, a chip on your shoulder and lash out at everyone who isn't like you. Not reacting thusly demonstrates your white priveledge, and makes you a latent racist :nod:
     
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