Gender doesn't exist...

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  1. Cougarbear

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    As long as you got that Y you are male. So, live with it... It's all pretty simple... Bruce Jenner will always be an XY and a "He."
     
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    Of course there are devout people of all faiths and religions. But, there is one true Church with the authority to speak for the Godhead. Heck, takes one to be devout to sacrifice humans as did many ancient religions and today's Satan religions that do this. Doesn't make them Christ's Church. I'm not flailing. I'm stating fact. :dual:
     
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    And so are the Catholics, Lutherans, Episcopalians, Methodists, Baptists (quite loudly in fact depending on the flavor), Evangelicals, The Jews, Muslims, Hindi...

    Heck! There are a whole slew of religions that say they're right and everyone else is wrong.

    And as an interesting point, if any sect that is a derivation in your eyes isn't the "one true faith", which one of the 12 sects of Mormon is the right one and which of the 11 are going to hell in a handbasket? I mean obviously yours is the "bestest ever"...but which one is it? I only ask out of curiosity.

    The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church)?
    Community of Christ (RLDS)?
    The Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)?
    Church of Jesus Christ with the Elijah Message?
    Apostolic United Brethren?
    Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (FLDS)?
    Restoration Branches?
    Church of Christ (Hedrickites)?
    Fellowships of the Remnants?
    Church of Christ (Fettingite)?
    Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Strangite)?
    Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)?

    I mean obviously yours is the "bestest, one truest, everyone else is going to hell-est, most awesomest religion in all of forever"...but which one is it? I only ask out of curiosity.
     
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    When a biological male is able to pop a baby out of his butt we will know that the sexes are equal.
     
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    Bruce Jenner no longer exists. Regardless of whether or not you accept her transitioning from Male to Female, LEGALLY Bruce Jenner no longer exists as anything other than a footnote in the legal records of Caitlyn Marie Jenner. She wanted to legally change her name, the courts agreed. Ignoring the transitioning, it's the same situation as a friend of mine changing her name to totally distance herself from her "dysfunctional"(1) family.

    So whether or not you believe she's really a she, or if she's going to hell or not, or any of the myriad annoyance her existence causes you...Legally, she is no longer William Bruce Jenner.

    (1) - not really the best term, but it's the most severe I can use on this forum given the community guidelines.
     
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    SO did you completely miss the fact that they XY person in question was born with a vagina? This isn't a made up thing, it's a real condition that happens. Are you seriously saying that somehow people are supposed to know that this baby with a vagina and not a penis is actually XY? Are you actually saying that from the time of birth people should have been treating the person as XY and that they are bound for hell simply because they never knew they were actually XY, but acted the same as XX people who also have vaginas?
     
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    Actually, they're going to hell for not being part of CB's flavor of Mormonism...whichever that is. There are 12 of 'em after all.
     
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    What about those XY people who are BORN with FEMALE genitals and RAISED as females?

    What about those XX people who are BORN with MALE genitals and raised as MALES?

    FACTS matter!
     
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    So CB only has an 8.33% chance of having picked the "right" flavor of Mormonism and only a ONE out of 45 THOUSAND chance of having picked the "right" flavor of Christianity?

    Even the weather channel is more accurate!
     
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    And that's not something you get to say very often.
     
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    I eliminate those who branch off either the Perpetuation of the Church from ancient times or the Restoration of the Church in these the Last Days or Latter-days. That leaves the Catholic Church or The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. If these two churches are false then so are those that branch off. This is where Testimony comes in to make that decision. The Testimony is given through the influence and gift of the Holy Ghost (not the same).

    To your "going to hell" catch all phrase, no. I'll explain. Our true understanding of Heaven keeps most from ending up in Perdition. Perdition is your concept of Hell. Our concept of Hell is a place many spend time in prior to moving on to Paradise of which both are a place of Spirit Prison. See, before the foundations of the earth were laid, we were in Heaven with our Heavenly Parents unable to progress to be like them. In that state, we were in like a state of prison unable to move forward with our potential evolution towards godhood. Paradise for sure. But, not Celestial Order of Heaven. We needed to become like our Heavenly Parents who are glorified man and woman with bodies of immortal flesh and bones. Therefore, our Heavenly Parents have a plan for us to descend from our spirit-like prison to earth and gain a physical body of flesh and bone. While here, we also have a body that includes our current style of blood. A body that is not in a state of mortality. Based on our level of being valiant in our Testimony of Jesus Christ (Lord), we will be judged and resurrected to a state of immortality with either bodies Celestial, Terrestrial or Telestial back in Heaven. There will be worlds for each state of resurrection. Our own earth will be made celestial for those who obtain the Celestial Kingdom of Glory. Those who deny the Holy Ghost, which means, when a full knowledge, in person, of who Jesus Christ is face to face, rejects Christ as their personal Savior, will still receive a resurrected body but be sent to Perdition where Satan is. A place of no glory. The burning of fire eternally is a metaphor of the mental, emotional and physical state of the person. Very few people will end up here. The vast majority of people when face to face with the Father and Son will deny them anymore. So, we are not like the Catholics at all in that regard.
     
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    :roflol:
     
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    He is now known as Caitlyn Marie Jenner. Not she. Caitlyn is still a male. A man that has on purpose disfigured his body to try and look like a female. In the Book of Life in Heaven, Bruce is still Bruce. When he departs this earth and his spirit (with his intelligence) goes back to spirit prison, his spirit body will be male. All the physical changes he made will go away. When he is resurrected, his body will be male. Whether he goes to heaven or perdition will be up to him when he meets the Father and Son and either bows his knees and confesses Jesus is the Christ or he denies what he's witnessing and rejects Christ. As is for all of us.
    By the way, the records of the Decathlon still show "Bruce Jenner" as the champion. There's a phrase in the scriptures that tells us we need to "endure to the end." No matter how difficult things are, stay the path of the straight and narrow all the way to death. Bruce made it 70 years before deviating from the path. It's sad that he'd go so long and at the end of his life make the sad and distasteful vile change of ruining his body. That's like being in the lead of the Decathlon and only having to beat the person in second place by 15 seconds in the 1500 meters to win and you stop to pick some daisies 50 yards from the finish line and lose.
    :truce:
     
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    As I've pointed out in articles, this is a story that is made up. There have never been actual real people shown to have such a condition. It's like saying that some people of gills that have a deformity behind their ears. People actually have other malfunctions of holes in their bodies. People are born with holes in their hearts and other locations. Doesn't mean if there is a hole down yonder that it is an actual vagina. The reports I stated say no.
     
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    Nope. The references I've stated and gave say there hasn't be a real case like you are stating. Are there deformities that may look strange. Sure! We see people born with malformities. When Adam and Eve left the Garden of Eden they were told that life would not always grow perfect specimens of life. That there would be deformities. Nevertheless, a male is a male and a female is a female. How a person is raised is on the parents. We do the best we can for our children with what we know.
     
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    Complete and utter bovine excrement!

    There are MEDICAL CONDITIONS named for ALL of those CASES.

    https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/condition/swyer-syndrome/

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/xx-male-syndrome

    https://novonordiskfonden.dk/en/news/more-women-than-expected-are-genetically-men/

    There are NO visible "deformities" for any of these women with MALE DNA.

    Your Science DENIALISM has ZERO credibility.
     
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    Yes, yes, you have your own unique and particular brand of religion that is right and everyone else’s is wrong, people of your faith are the only ones allowed in heaven, your religion is God’s chosen.

    Just.
    Like.
    Every.
    Other.
    Religion.

    The fact that you’re convinced that yours is the correct one doesn’t change that a lot of the arguments you use to prove that yours is the “One True Way” are the very same arguments that others use to prove that theirs is the “One True Way” as well.

    But who cares? You’re covered by your faith and the belief that you’re right, everyone who doesn’t follow your brand of Jesus is wrong, and we’re all going to hell/perdition/purgatory/limbo/New Jersey/whatever.

    I’m now on my vacation. I’m not ignoring you so don’t get puffed up by thinking that you’re special and being singled out…From this point on I’m ignoring EVERYBODY.

     
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    In this whole thread you have only linked one study, that was shown unreliable and never repeated.

    Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (AIS) is a real condition where those who are genetically male are born with a vagina, because that is the natural state of a human where the SRY gene does not kick in or other problems where the penis and related part do not develop.

     
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    All this boils back down to, "We're right and everyone else is wrong." Which is the same thing almost every other church is saying.
     
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    If I hire female model who hid the fact that they're actually man, that is fraudulent misrepresentation. I can sue the snot out of them and force them to pay back every penny over the federal minimum wage they got, or depending on the State, every penny over the State minimum wage, plus all the healthcare benefits I paid, and other benefits like vacation and sick days, plus all takes I paid in excess of either federal minimum wage or (depending on the State) the State minimum wage.

    Note that it does not have to be a modeling job (which are exempt from ADA/EE statutes). It could be a female masquerading as male who was hired to perform a job that is physically demand and women -- through no fault of their own -- are unable to perform that job.

    With respect to personal security, a normal couple out of a late evening stroll might not give a 2nd thought to someone dressed as a woman behind them, but if it would be a man dressed as a woman, they could unknowingly and unwittingly put their own lives in danger.

    I could go on and on, but I don't have all day.

    What a silly question that could only be asked by someone ignorant of all-things legal. There is no "who."
     
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    Some people are very limited in their thinking.
     
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    Another non-starter in all things-legal.

    Let's start small. Someone shows you a photo of a home on beautiful lakeside property and offers you a price. You buy it, then go there only to find the lake is actually a mud flat that only has a few inches of standing water in early Spring, and the property is not developed, meaning there's no electricity or running water or sewage.

    That is one of 100s of 1,000s of examples of fraudulent misrepresentation. I won't even get into fraudulent inducement or fraudulent concealment or even negligent misrepresentation, because half of it would go over your head and the other half way, way over your head.
     
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    Really?!? That’s the best you could come up with? All of what I posted and I only get a one-liner?

    Well to respond in kind…”What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.”
     
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    Not a good example. As we’re currently in the house buying process. We’ve seen a lot of houses. And yes, we’ve seen some dogs in the same vein as you suggest. One such case was an older house with a lovely yard on the MLS Website. We get there and it’s clearly evident that the house has been left abandoned for at least a year and a half if not longer to judge by the overgrowth. The house is in far worse shape than when those photos were done.

    Now here you might be thinking “See! That’s what I’m talking about!” But the truth is you go and see the house. We weren’t so much looking at the condition, but for the suitability for two couples who formed a poly family. Something with two master bedrooms or at the very least a couple of rooms large enough to put in a pair of queen+ beds.

    So when we got there and saw that it was a “bit of a fixer-upper” (seriously, the relator was suggesting getting a construction loan, low-bidding for the house and using the difference to repair it to it’s former glory)…we left. We didn’t bid on the house. We were misled, but not defrauded out of any of our hard-earned money.

    And even the house we bid on and won (the contract fell apart later), fraud was protected against by having a home inspector come in and evaluate the house. They found several things wrong with the house and we got to decide on what we felt the seller needed to fix (the soft spots in the floor and the fact that the electrical system was not grounding properly), the few things we felt we could sort out ourselves (the carpet in the bathroom, the one loose light fixture), and the things we didn’t consider to be a problem (the heater and AC was old. Still worked, was recently serviced, but older than recommended service life).

    So, not a good example.

    That’s a little over the top. He made a counter point, no need to be insulting about it.

    And back to fraud. To defraud someone, one has to find a way to unfairly take something from someone else. What does a man who wears women’s clothing have of yours that they took unfairly?
     
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    This is not an equivalent example. In yours the property pictured includes a home on it, but in reality it does not. In the modeling example, as written (you may have had other details in mind not written), the person managed to pass as a woman for the modeling session, and it was later determined that she was a trans woman not a cis woman. To be equivalent, the picture would show the actual house on the property, but fail to show some other significant detail such as during the fall rains, the water line covers a foot along the base of the house. Now given that we are currently looking at homes to buy, I can tell you that not a single listing has ever shown a yard that floods out, in while or in part. Yet we have looked at said homes after the rain and found large amounts of standing water. By your standards all realtors are engaged in fraudulent misrepresentation. Strange how no one has ever brought them to task for it.

    Similarly, if a trans woman or even a cis man, can model, I'm guessing, the clothing in such a way as to be effective in advertising the brand, then they have accomplished the desired goal. What fraud has occurred?
     
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