Gender doesn't exist...

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  1. Maquiscat

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    While we are overall on the same side I do have to hit you on your argument.

    If human and person are the same thing, why do we have two different words?
     
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    If I remove most of your brain you may still be human, but you would no longer be a person. Human is the physical. A person is a human with "personality".

    Sex is the physical, Gender is a broader concept.
     
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    Can you show me where that is the current usage of the word?

    Gender once had nothing to do with sex or identity. Then it became a synonym for sex. Now it is about identity. It is important to note that the current meaning is a relatively new use.
     
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    What defines a person?
    A person (plural people or persons) is a being that has certain capacities or attributes such as reason, morality, consciousness or self-consciousness, and being a part of a culturally established form of social relations such as kinship, ownership of property, or legal responsibility. ...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person

    person
    [ pur-suhn ]
    See synonyms for: person / people / persons on Thesaurus.com

    noun
    a human being, whether an adult or child:The table seats four persons.
    a human being as distinguished from an animal or a thing.
    an individual human being who likes or prefers something specified (used in combination):I've never been a cat person.
    Sociology. an individual human being, especially with reference to his or her social relationships and behavioral patterns as conditioned by the culture.
    Philosophy. a self-conscious or rational being.
    the actual self or individual personality of a human being:You ought not to generalize, but to consider the person you are dealing with.
    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/person


    If you say so. But the facts say otherwise

    Gender
    c. 1300, "kind, sort, class, a class or kind of persons or things sharing certain traits," from Old French gendre, genre "kind, species; character; gender" (12c., Modern French genre), from stem of Latin genus (genitive generis) "race, stock, family; kind, rank, order; species," also "(male or female) sex," from PIE root *gene- "give birth, beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups.

    Also used in Latin to translate Aristotle's Greek grammatical term genos. The grammatical sense is attested in English from late 14c. The unetymological -d- is a phonetic accretion in Old French (compare sound (n.1)).

    The "male-or-female sex" sense is attested in English from early 15c. As sex (n.) took on erotic qualities in 20c., gender came to be the usual English word for "sex of a human being," in which use it was at first regarded as colloquial or humorous. Later often in feminist writing with reference to social attributes as much as biological qualities; this sense first attested 1963. Gender-bender is from 1977, popularized from 1980, with reference to pop star David Bowie.
    https://www.etymonline.com/word/gender
     
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    So you have just AFFIRMED that YOU are the one doing the "fraudulent misrepresentation" of transgender people. :eek:

    Sad!

    :roflol:
     
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    :roflol:

    Gender STEREOTYPE fallacy based upon a DEARTH of subject matter KNOWLEDGE.

    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abd0310

    FACTS matter!

    :roflol:
     
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    You started with "personality", but I am not seeing that within the definition. That being said, human and person are synonyms within the English language, especially within the common use area, as much as sex and gender were not then were, and now may or may not be depending upon context. Think of this last as similar to they way we sometimes now use "dad" and "father" to mean different things. "Any male can be a father, but it takes a man to be a dad."


    You've made my point for me. Thank you.
     
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    Does this mean The Women's March is cancelled?
     
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    It's a con job, I don't buy it and my eyes don't see it, not yesterday, not today, nor tommorrow.

    I say bullshit.

    Let men and women be and quit trying to kill sex.

    Sex is wonderful. Women are mysterious, they are wonderful, they are nothing like men.

    And that's a damn good thing because how boring life would if they were like men. I'd go ****ing crazy.
     
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    You'd make a good lawyer.

    But most of us will not be fooled by your argument.

    If you can see there are men, and there are women, and, overall, they are not the same, I can't help you.
     
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    Wait a minute, there are plenty of us old school liberals that don't buy this non-gender non binary bullshit.

    Quit trying to make it a progressive argument.
     
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    Derideo_Te is transgender, just so you know.
     
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    I'd say they were gay.

    Nothing wrong with being gay.
     
  14. Maquiscat

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    Most of us will not be fooled by your argument.

    If you can't see there is sex, and there is gender, and, overall, they are not the same, I can't help you.
     
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    Then stop your progressive mouthpieces from propagating these ridiculous assertions in the first place.
     
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    I don't see much in the way of stopping conservative mouthpieces from propagating ridiculous assertions. So pot calling the kettle black here.
     
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    It's cultural. And while gender usually correlated with biological sex, there have been exceptions in cultures and in individuals.

    I think the opposite is true, actually, and you contradict yourself. You can self-determine your own reality, and yet individualism is erased? Makes no sense. Social progressivism is the embrace of individuality. It's conservatives who try to keep people into strictly defined roles by gender today, sexual orientation before, sex before that, and race before that. Conservatives are always trying to preserve a strict definition of what is culturally okay, usually at the expense of those who aren't male WASPs.
     
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    Wearing pants is not a gender. Gender is tied to sex. It's part of the structure of our language. Technically EVERYTHING is a social construct. As language is invented. However, language needs unity and a agreed upon understanding of labels and names. Gender is a part of our language.

    I could say to you that I don't believe in the label "computer" it's a social construct. Instead I typed this post up on my electric box. And that is how I want you to refer to that device from now on.

    When we start allowing the INDIVIDUAL to dictate meanings of words we get confusion. Which is what we ****ing have now.
     
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    If you can't see that one begets the other, the vast majority of the time, excluding anomalies of nature, I can't help you.
     
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    Okay, everytime a Trump loving white supremacist wears an anti-semite t shirt, I will say all republicans hate jews.

    Fair?

    https://forward.com/fast-forward/461617/auschwitz-shirt-capitol-mob-nazi-antisemitism/

    Y'all got your fringe, we got ours.

    Quit trying to say their are the centerpiece of our politics, they are not.
     
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    They used to be until the transgendered became upset by it.

    Gender
    GEN'DER, noun [Latin genus, from geno, gigno; Gr.to beget, or to be born; Eng. kind. Gr. a woman, a wife; Sans. gena, a wife, and genaga, a father. We have begin from the same root. See Begin and Can.]

    1. Properly, kind; sort.

    2. A sex, male or female. Hence,
     
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    You are mistaking correlation for causation. Simply because something is a majority of the time that does not mean it is always. A majority of people are right handed, straight and cis gendered. That doesn't mean that anything not these are not real. Some people have a gender that is in conflict with their body, whereas the majority have a gender that matches.
     
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    Postmodernist BS. Reality isn't a mental construct.
     
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    The flaw is that social progressivism uses government to define individuality for you. Total fail on your part. Oh, and there are these things called "facts". You may not have been introduced to them yet. And then there are different things called rules. The fact that you don't like rules doesn't negate them being there or enforceable. Think about it this way. If, as you suggest, rules aren't to be followed, what is the point of progressive legislation then? To NOT follow it?
     
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    The only folks I know that wear anti semite shirts are liberals/progressives, like everyone who dons a Che Guarare t-shirt. Police your own party first. Didn't george Soros famously out jews? to the Nazis? He's like you're hero though, right?
     

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