Gender doesn't exist...

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    Schizophrenia is also a mental state.
     
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    I'm anti-postmodern. This isn't about reality, it's about how we treat people who see things differently, even if we think they're weird for doing so. Easy for me because I don't get/feel religion, watching sports, school spirit or nationalism, but where those things aren't destructive if they make people happy, it's fine. I get gender dysphoria a bit more easily than the other examples, it's just having a feminine mind in a male body. I could call people delusional for their religions and rally against their religion. Is that really my duty to if I'm not postmodernist though? Same situation for you with gender dysphoria.
     
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    Next you'll be saying "Species do not exist, it is just a condition of the mind" Some have a genuine drive to pervert everything they come in contact with. It is the dark side of human nature. What's up is down and down is up!
     
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    I'm not sure what you're talking about. The government isn't telling people to be trans or not. Under progressive ideals, I suppose the government may demand that you respect their pronouns, and that would limit people's ability to be crass/rude asses I suppose. I wouldn't support that, but I suppose some progressives would.

    Too vague to know what you're talking about. I care about facts, but I only believe in rules that have a worthy purpose. Appealing to traditional Christians values is not a valid purpose. Protecting people from each other is. Protecting people's feelings is also not a worthy purpose, but that's where I would differ from some on the hard left.
     
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    The far left and the far right are both bat ***** crazy. But if you're not going to be trying to shut down the conservative crazies, then don't whine if no one is shutting down the liberal crazies.
     
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    "correlation is not causation' is not an accurate statement.

    An accurate statement would be:

    Correlation may, or may not be, causation, but a good detective looks there first.

    When intersex happens one in 2000, it's called an anomaly. Intersex people can choose, if they want. They have the genitalia of both sexes.

    Gay people are real. No one is saying they aren't.

    When a man wants to be a woman it could be one of two things:

    1. A con job, a man lying about himself, unable to accept the truth that he is a gay man, a man who is tired of being gay and becoming a woman would mean he is now a 'she' and thus 'no longer gay'.

    2. A female soul, by mistake of nature, sent to inhabit a male body.


    I don't know the answer to that, but given that I am a man, and as a member of the male species, I can say on good authority that men are exceedingly cunning creatures, and owing to that observation of my own kind, I am inclined to go number one.

    But, I'll cut transfemales a deal: If you can fool me, I'll call you a woman.

    Most sound and look like men in drag, sorry. There have been a few that did make the transformation totally and utterly convincing, down to subtle mannerisms without exaggeration, , and those I applaud, but it is rare.

    Oh, it happens in reverse, but far less, does it not? Why is it happening mostly with men to female trans?


    Oh, and if a trans has male genitalia, they are cross dressers. There is no way around that one.

    I just think a gay man or woman should just accept that they are a gay man or a gay woman, and quit trying to be something they are not, that is dishonest, it is a lie.
     
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    Yeah,right: Soros as explained that story a number of times he did something that, as a 14 year old boy, he wasn't proud of. but if he didn't do it, he would have been killed. You know, it's pretty tough to ask a 14 year old boy to be a hero and die. So, I'll file that one under the cheap shot file. But, here's an example of a Trump fan:

    My point was, you guys got extremists on your side, too, but they don't define your party, and our fringe doesn't define our party.

    Do you understand that very simple point, or not?


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    True enough, but he also doesn't assume it instantly, which is what most opponents are doing.

    Incorrect, at least in many cases. Intersex can be having XY DNA and a vagina. That's not both genitalia. There is a large variety of intersex conditions out there, and very few have both genitalia. Ambiguous genitalia is more common that both. But most importantly intersex people are still people. And most can not be distinguished by simply looking at them, even naked. So even if you want to claim that intersex can choose, you will still be telling them they can't since you can't really tell. Also, per the NCIB at the National Institute for Health, transgenderism occurs in about 1 in every 250 adults or .004%. This probably also includes non-binaries but the article itself doesn't say one way or the other. Intersex, on the other hand, depending on what you accept as intersex, can range from .018% to 1.7%, also per NCIB.

    Actually lots of people are saying they aren't. You happen to not be one of them. But that's another issue for another thread.

    The second assumes such a thing as a soul, but I discount neither of these as possibilities. However, they are by far not the only two things. There are many transwoman who continue to be attracted to women, so it certainly wasn't the case that they were gay, and using transgenderism to feel better about their attraction to men. Aside from the possibility of intersex with only one visible set of external genitalia, there is also the possibility of opposite sex chimeras. Or of a missed or wrong hormonal flood causing difference in brain development.

    You probably already have and not known it.

    Ask yourself this: If they are good enough to pass and fool you, unless you are moving towards intimacy, how would you ever know they are transwomen? They may not be as rare as you think.

    What happens in reverse? You mean simply in the existence of trans men, or something else? As to frequency, the men are more likely to be noticed, especially the ones that don't "pass". Women have been moving more towards men's fashions for decades, so a full cross over is a little easier for them. Especially since for some transgender people, presenting is enough to alleviate GD, and hormones and/or surgery are not required.

    In the most technical sense, yes, but then so are most cis-women nowadays. Basically, any woman can wear any men's clothing, and no one will blink an eye or call them cross dressers. But in actuality, that's what they are. But in essence if you are talking about a male CD or a Drag Queen, you are talking about a person who, regardless of the clothes they wear, they still identify as male. Ru Paul, even in drag, is still male/man and claims as much. That's why trans is not the same as CD. Also, are you saying that a post op trans man is a cross dresser, simply because he now has male genitalia?

    As noted, many transgender people would be straight if they were still the sex they were born as. Transitioning makes them gay. And honestly I hate that way of labeling. You're either attracted to penis, or to vagina, or to both. It doesn't matter what you are, it's what you are attracted to. Quite honestly, both myself and a lesbian have the same sexual orientation.
     
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    I think, well, in my opinion, it is safe to presume biology begets gender, the vast majority of the time.
    Okay, I'm not knowledgeable on the finer points, but I think the principle is the same,
    I read that it was one in two thousand, and that's a statistical anomaly.

    Also, I referred to Intersex, not transgenderism.

    Of course, Anomalies are a fact of nature. I would also say .oo4% for transgenderism is an anomaly. Anomaly does not equal 'imperfect', per se, though it could be interpreted as such. Such anomalies drive evolution, so in another sense at least at the (what is it?) DNA level, (look, I'm no scientist) it's a good thing, but at that level, many bad anomalies that do not take hold in nature, get weeded out by nature.

    Criminals, perverts, sycophants, boring people, religious nuts, gun nuts, polygamists, tyrants, bullies, morons. conmen, egotists, narcissists, nice people, heroic people, average people, pretty people, ugly people, and all the shades from wonderful to awful to exist in nature.

    Am I implying that transgenderism is awful? I'm not particularly claiming as fact where it belongs on the good to bad scale, ( nor is it a simple thing ) but I do have an opinion which qualifies more in depth my view, and I explained it, more or less, in the post to which you replied, though, no doubt, more needs to be expressed.

    So, asserting they are 'real', given that everything that exists is real, and to try and make that a point is really a meaningless statement.
    It was a general statement. Okay, if you want to pin me down on that less than salient point, okay, some are in denial, but of course.
    As a member of the LGBT community (B) I have known and met many transfemales. I haven't met one that was attracted to women. (actually, I have, more on that below).
    I'm sure they exist, but it's not a big number. Also, they are making that acronym getting longer and longer now I think it is LGBTQIA ? I mean, this **** is really getting out of hand. I see Q being redundant with G, but someone argued with me that a 'non binary but biologically male attracted to a male is 'queer' where as a gay man is not 'non binary' and that is why G and Q are not redundant.

    But, that is if one assumes the validity of non binary, and I don't. I think it's crap.

    I think if you are born male and you deny it, you are in denial and lying to yourself.

    In my universe, G and Q are redundant.

    As for T, I accept it when there is a genuine transformation, and the rest are crossdressers.

    Of course, it begs the question 'who am I to be the one who judges?'.

    True, but when it comes to my own opinion, I must judge because because that is where opinions come from. One's own self, eh?
    Can we not just be honest and say nature makes mistakes?

    If I were intersex, I'd admit that nature ****ed up when it came to m

    Not only that, nature ****ed up and made me bisexual. I don't really want to be bisexual, but I don't deny it because it is there. Nature did me no favor on that point.

    Is that such a difficult thing to grasp? do we have to acknowledge every minuscule anomaly of nature as being as perfect as everything else? Aren't we humans entitled to have opinions?
    That is the point. If you look and sound like a man in drag, in my world, you are a crossdresser.

    If you fool me, no problem, I can't tell that you were not a woman, so you are a woman, congratulations on the transformation.

    Now, I have NOTHING against crossdressers nor can anyone infer I am using the term ot disparage anyone, I'm not

    I do believe in live and let live, but I also believe in HONESTY.
    You forget, I've mentioned ( I thought I did ) I lived in that world for years, and that precise situation has happened to me.
    However, I cannot be attracted to a transfemale because the idea of an artificial vagina is a deal breaker for me, even if I found her attractive and was fooled beforehand. Think of the famous scene in the 'Crying Game'.

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    It's not a question of who is noticed, it's statistical question. How many transmales are there compared to transfemales? Does anyone have the answer? I'll bet there are far more transfemales.
    I don't buy this 'cis' or 'non binary' crap. I just don't. If you don't buy the 'non binary' concept, then cis because a moot concept.
    To me, a non binary person is just in denial. They are lying to themselves. There is such a thing as denial, but I find it odd that when it comes to sex, there no longer is such a thing as denial? That does not make sense.

    There is a difference between a 'drag queen' and a cross dresser. The DQ is an exaggerated male version of female, they are showboats, and many do it for a living and are not gay, though a number of them are gay. Some are prostitutes and there are gay men that go for drag queens. A cross dresser is just a male with the need to dress female who may, or may not be, gay. Now then, gays who CD who are probably toying with become trans, they exist, also, I've met a few. CDing as a trial balloon, so to speak. They tell me they find it liberating, dressing as a woman, and some really wish they were women, but don't have the gumption to go full trans. It does take courage.
    I haven't met too many transfemales who weren't initially gay. I lived in west Hollywood for years, I don't recall meaning a tranny who didn't want what a woman wants. Come to think of it, I have met a few. They were in porn flicks, but they are probably Bi, and most trannies I've met who were pornstars doing it with women were bi, Generally speaking, if you feel like woman in a man's body, the odds are you want what most women want.

    But, if you are a lesbian in a man's body, become a comedian, because that's funny.
     
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    ??? Of course its about reality when you claim "You can self-determine your own reality". Post modernist BS.

    It can be described as a reaction against attempts to explain reality in an objective manner by claiming that reality is a mental construct.[8]
    Postmodernism - Wikipedia
     
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    Remember seeing that trans kid Jaz in an interview. Was having difficulties and follow up surgeries on the bottom parts. Lots of pain. Interviewer asked how she could endure and she replied she doesnt care as long as it works. I dont think she is referring to working at expelling her uterine lining each month, or giving birth to a baby. She wants to be able to take a dick. Except now she realizes she no longer has any sexual drive.
    I think a lot of transgendered are homosexuals unable to accept their homosexuality.
     
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    Soros made a decision. He said "the jews... they're up there". He seems to have deep seated hate from a very young age. And now, because folks know the story, he's adopted the "i regret my actions deeply" bs. And yet, his stance hasn't changed. He's a pariah bent on destroying society in this case via allowing criminals to not be detained or otherwise prosecuted. When you figure out that the guy isn't in this to help or otherwise do anything more than destroy a society he hates himself, at least be honest that is actually what he wants to accomplish. I don't find that there is a comparative voice or actor on the conservative side of the house. All of those crazies seem to be on your team.
     
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    I hate post-modernism. This is not about the nature of reality. This is about how we treat people who are different from us
     
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    I'm not sure I would use the word begets. But I guess if you are making the argument that biology begets both sex and gender, I might be able to go with that since it doesn't presume that sex is what causes gender.

    I am active with the local alt communities (kink, poly, LBGT, etc) so I am more up on the details. But no the principle is not the same, because most intersex only have one set of genitalia, not parts of both. That is a rare condition within a rare condition. As to the two points I was pointing out that intersex is more common than transgenderism, albeit lesser known amongst the common population. So the odds that intersex is a possible, although not only, cause of transgenderism are very good.

    This is what a lot of us pro-LBGT types keep trying to point out. Anomalies, things outside the statistical norms, are still valid natural variations. Opponents want to make them into unnatural occurrence, or choices, or something else that is "bad".

    Maybe within the context of your arguments, but there are so many out there that are claiming they are not real. So if your argument is close to theirs, it can seem that you are making that claim, and of course we have to counter it when they make it.

    I only pointed it out, because it is a major argument from other opponents. But as I said, other thread topic.

    That's going to have to be an area thing I think, because we certainly have a not insignificant number of them. In fact I ended up dating one. She was under a self delusion (something I have discussed in toher threads on this and another forum) that because she was a woman she should be attracted to men. After she moved, she finally opened her eyes and started dating women. Either that or I spoiled her for ever wanting other men. While my ego might like that idea, my brain is too honest to accept it. There is another who is bi, having both male and female partners (she's also poly). What's even worse, she is like a dead ringer for a female music artist I had a crush on before she came out as a trans man. Still love his music, except he ruined a couple of his earlier songs when he was still she.

    I have made this observation myself. I have, in humor, told other people in the various lifestyles, that in the same manner that the LBG community started taking in others in solidarity, so too did the BDSM community, embracing other kinks that didn't actually fall under B/D, D/s or S/M. The only difference is we didn't bother to keep adding letters.

    On the plus side, you do recognize the logic of G and Q being different, even if you don't agree with the premise the logical is based upon. That puts you miles ahead of many others. As for me, I honestly don't think that gender is as binary as some of the TG community believes. I think that idea stems from an adherence to the binary of sex. It's one of the reasons I note that we probably need to develop better word symbols for gender and its various iterations.

    The question here then becomes, when is it a mistake and when is it variation? We could easily argue that left handedness is a mistake in nature given how vastly greater right handedness is. And if we want to use frequency as a guideline, then what about natural ambidexterity (as opposed to taught/learned ambidexterity)? That's even more rare than left handedness.

    Is that such a difficult thing to grasp? do we have to acknowledge every minuscule anomaly of nature as being as perfect as everything else? Aren't we humans entitled to have opinions?

    Even when they are cis female? There are stories and incidents out there where cis women are being confronted going into women's restrooms and changing rooms because people are assuming they are biological males, either CD's or MtF.

    I think that you are conflating honesty and truth in this aspect. A transgender honestly believes that they are the gender they claim, and the vast majority are honest about what their birth sex is. Even if, and I am only saying this to make the point, a transgender were to factually be the same gender as their sex, that doesn't make them dishonest, since they truly believe that it is different.

    Not that I have been exposed to prior to this post I am responding to, or at least I don't recall it. You might have mentioned it in a thread I am not in. But I have also been known to miss things occasionally. I've got a mind like a steel sieve. ;)

    Never saw that movie. More sci-fi/fantasy buff, although I do have my share of classic 80's and 90's movies under my belt. That just isn't one of them. But I know what you mean. I am similar in that I am not attracted to men, cis or trans, even if the transman in question still has a vagina. I have also found out that pre-op transwomen do not hold a repulsion for me like pre-op trans men do.

    Was this the section where you noted the difference between your sexual attractions and your romantic attractions? Or was that another thread altogether?

    I do have to wonder about that. There also seem to be more gay men than gay women. But there is also the question of accurate reporting in such. I think you'll probably agree with me in that FtM is a lot easier to pass then MtF is. And given that trans in general receive a lot of crap, how many trans men keep their trans status under wrap just to avoid the complications? I will grant that right now, a lot more trans women self report, but I am not comfortable in assuming that is due purely to a numbers reason.

    While I follow your logic, I would have to say that even without non-binary, cis gender is still a valid concept due purely to the trans gender concept. The "cis" and "trans" prefix labels simply denote whether the gender matches the sex or not.

    I'm not quite following. Where is it being said that there is no denial for sex? In what context?

    I am going to disagree with you. I would not say that DQ's are different from CD's, but instead are a specific subset of CD's. I am also going to put some "cross dressers" in a category of they just reject the concept of a separation of men's and woman's closing, as opposed to the CD specifically going for the women's clothing.

    I fully agree with you here. Especially those who started out in denial with what they are. That kind of transition is not an uncommon story.

    Dude Hollywood has an excess of the overall LBG population. I'm pretty sure that skews some of the data. That being said, I never trust what a porn star does as any indication of their sexual orientation. There are many people out there for whom the opposite of their orientation does not cause revulsion. IOW, while they are sexually attracted to men (for example's sake), they can have sex with women even while not sexually attracted to them. This would be especially true for the porn industry, when they probably make good money for being versatile. But yeah, here we have a decent number of transwomen attracted to women, and transmen attracted to men.
     
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    There is no doubt that these people exist, and they would be the most likely to have SRS regret. But there is also a good number of transgender who have said that losing their sex drive has been worth the transitioning. It's a wide range of results out there.
     
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    It's all essential narcissism.

    When your will to 'manipulate and decide' exceeds the biological limits of mammalian life, you've succumbed to that essential narcissism. You've decided that you are too special to tolerate limits.
     
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    Definitely. And sometimes it's the parents who can't accept it, and so foster 'gender dysphoria'.

    It also works the other way, in the 21stC. Sometimes kids who've grown up with 'gay favouring' social and support circles, will take that path believing it's who they are. A slightly effeminate boy, raised by woke parents for example, might be subtly convinced by them that he is gay. When friends and others back that up, it can be overwhelming. Transitioning actually allows them to enjoy women, because they can still be gay (iow, 'lesbian'). Ditto in reverse. Women who thought they were lesbian, transitioning to male and for the first time start dating men. Still 'gay', but actually straight - because they were always straight. I've seen it happen a lot, and it's happening more as we move forward in both parental influence on sexualisation of children, and accessibility to transitioning.
     
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    One follows the other. It is reasonable to conclude the gender identity, on the whole, is caused by biological fact. Science can deal with biology, but 'gender' is the realm of psychology, which, in my view, is quasi-science/quasi-art, or rather, more in the realm of the liberal arts, rather than the science departments, though psychologists might disagree.

    Well then one can argue 'gender identity' is a cultural thing. Perhaps, but the cultural aspect sprang, ultimately speaking, from what well? What was it about each side of the polarity that gave rise to the culture, whereupon it is similar in many cultures ( female being more emotional, softer, etc [ many, if not most, cultures ] ) ? We can call it 'cultura;' but something is giving rise to the culture? Answer? Biology. What else could it be?

    but, my deeper and actual beliefs on the subject are rooted in eastern philosophy, with an additional layer of my own home brewed philosophy.

    I believe in reincarnation. And, the souls are sent to inhabit bodies. (by sent, I don't mean someone or something is doing the sending, it's a natural process, I do not believe in a personal God ) Sometimes the souls are born as females, sometimes as males. Often, one is a male over several life times, then nature makes the soul switch, to be the other polarity. Male and female are polarities seeking unity. We started out as a singular thing, millions if not billions of years ago, then we split off as male and female, and the inbred desire of each is to seek the other for completion, fulfillment, restoration to the original state hence the 'yin yang' symbol. It's a process that takes millions of years, and each of us are on that journey until we reach enlightenment, and when we do reach enlightenment, the yin and yang become one whole. It is when a switch is made, when, after several lives of being one gender, nature sends us to the other sex, that lingering desires from the past live bleed readily into the present owing the the newness of the present change, depending on the severity of the bleed over give nature homosexuals, bi sexuals, semi-bi-sexuals, and all the shades.

    It's just a theory, I don't hold it is a fact, but I believe it only in the sense that it makes sense to my way of thinking. It is my way of explaining the 'why' of the many shades of gay.
    I do not like the term 'cis' anything. You are talking about the common state of male or female.
    I'd prefer 'hetero' like it was long before these terms came into fashion ( as they are now ).
    See, that's just it, 'cis' non binary' it is all art of the same lingo crap. I'm an old school liberal and I just don't like this stuff,
    and the BIG reason I don't like it is that the right is going to kill us in the midwest, etc., with this stuff, and that's tragic.
    The LGBT left is not doing liberalism any favors, in my view, by pushing the notion that 'no such thing as gender'. That's just insanity. Why? Because my eyes see gender everywhere. I'm wondering why I even have to argue the point.

    I've not met a woman that looked like a man in drag, oh, wait, yes I have, her name is Ann Coulter.
    Okay, there are masculine women, adam's apple and all, but they are not 'men in drag' because, they are women.

    There was a movie where two women had to pretend to be drag queens, and they did an amazing job of appearing to be men in drag ( they just exaggerated their femininity, like drag queens do , but they did a good job of acting it).
    Like I wrote. As a member of the male species, I can speak with a modicum of humbleness on the subject of my male brethren, that the male mind is, or certainly can be, a very very very cunning thing.

    Is said person really identifying as female, or is it envy? Do you understand that envy can take over one psyche to such a degree that one actually believes inwardly he is a 'woman'.

    No, he is a feminine man. But he is a man. Your gender, in my view, should conform to your biology. It has for thousands of years, so why the change?

    Why upset this applecart? Why? Because the right is going to hammer the left with it and they are going to win elections.

    This is serious business because the right is destroying America. The left is giving them fodder to succeed.

    IF the right were enlightened, and they sure as hell are not. I"d just leave it up to whatever the public wants.

    Now that the public accepts gay marriage, it's legal. Gay marriage isn't an issue the right can win elections with, but it used to be.

    Now, of course, when it comes to rights, the higher argument is to disallow a 'right' to popularity contests. I mean, if a majority backed slavery, I'd still be against it because a right should not be dictated by politics. I used to be a conservative, and was against gay marriage, back in the 80s. I gradually became a liberal as I gradually realized the right had it all wrong about the left, an their vision of the left is a cartoon, unrelated to reality, their vision of the left is a stereotype which is really way off the mark. I changed my mind about gay marriage circa the advent of the internet, and I'm a solid lefty, though not a wokester. ( I love AOC, but she is over the top sometimes, like with her use of the term 'menstruating person' to mean a woman, which she thinks is necessary now because there is no such thing as gender. My gawd, the hard left is killing us ).

    It's just that I don't trust the male species.

    In fact, I want women to take over the world. Biological women whose gender aligns with their biology. ( Not all women I'd vote for, such as Ann Coulter, Margaret Thatcher, and assorted loons on the right ( or left, but there seem to be far more crazy on the right).
    Lust vs Romance, not perfectly aligned.
    When I lived Hollywood, there were, what, some 30 or so gay bars? Only one was a woman's bar, the Palm.
    When I moved to San Diego, it was similar, only 2 girl bars, and dozens of gay bars. Now there is only one.

    If it were not a fact that there are more gay men than gay women, what accounts for this discrepancy?

    Is it that the demographic of the lesbian is such that they don't like night life like their male counter parts do?

    That doesn't' make sense to me, because in hetero world, go to any night club, and the male/female distribution is pretty much even.
    I don't like the 'cis' term because it too strongly associated with 'non-binary' a term which I hate, because it represents to me, a growing phenomenon on the left that the right is hammering us with.
    I prefer 'hetero' like we have been using for most of my 70 years on this earth.
    Trans has been in place as long as I can remember, pretty much came to fore in the 70s. But 'cis' I only learned about that a few years ago. I guess I'm just out of the loop.
    If someone tells me they do not have a gender, are 'non binary', to me, they are in denial of their gender.
    ok. To me, a CD is just a man ( usually a man ) who has an inner need to wear women's clothing, sexuality has nothing to do with it. A DQ, to me, they are usually performers, or neon CD gays who like to make a spectacle of themselves. great if they are good at it and make make a living at it ( RU Paul, for example ). Perhaps that is why you say 'subset'.
    Thanks for agreeing with me on that point. But, for those who 'started out in denial with what they are', we have to be careful here because it goes back to the reasons for my distrust of the male species. For me, the safe thing to do is accept your gender as defined by your biology. If you feel like a woman but are born a man, 'accepting what you are', to me, would equal the fact you are a feminine man. It's perfectly okay to be a feminine man.
    Why? because that IS what you are, and if you think you are a real woman, you are lying to yourself. Now, most conservatives will agree with that point, and that is one of the few areas I agree with conservatives on. I see it from there viewpoint. But it shouldn't be a right or left thing at all. It's reality. If you thought you were a moose, should I accept that? Are you really a moose? No. Is that a strawman? I don't think it is. This is the argument that the right is making, Ben Shapiro, etc., and they are winning with it. I think they are correct on this point, and the left should stop pushing this nonsense.
    For a film's sake, a woman can fake sex with a woman though she is hetero, but how can a man fake sex with a man if he is not at least bi? The penis doesn't lie, and that imagery is required for porn, you can only get a woody if you are turned on.

    I was watching a documentary about this male porn star, and he claimed he was hetero, but there he was, schtupping a guy in front a camera, full on wood. ( wouldn't it be humorous it he were from Norway? Kinda begs for a new porn flick "Norwegian Wood" well, no doubt someone's already filmed it. )
     
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    That's quite a price to pay.

    So much of life's energy is sexual energy transforming into other energies. .

    Killing it sounds very destructive to my way of thinking.
     
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    "You can self-determine your own reality".
     
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    Gender is purely a play on words to appease problematic minds.
     
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    That's true. As we know, only biology actually exists. Everything else is fantasy and narcissism.
     
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    well you can call yourself whatever you want so that's all fine and dandy....

    But the minute you demand I start calling a man a "woman" and participate in that delusion is the minute I tell you to go and stuff it.
     
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    That is a fallacious assumption on your part because hormones are biology therefore testosterone would beget a male gender and estrogen a female gender according to your absurd presumption.

    For trans people their gender is not in alignment with their biology which is what makes them trans.

    Facts matter!

    It is NOT the trans people who are in denial and lying to themselves.

    Instead it is a small BIGOTED segment of BINARY people that are doing all the LYING about trans people.

    You finally got something right, yes, it does take courage to deal with the small minded bigots in society.
     
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    HRT just alters one's sex drive from male to female or vice versa.

    As far as your second fallacious allegation goes as someone born male and attracted to females that has not changed since starting HRT. Sexual attraction has NOTHING to do with gender.
     

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