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  1. Lucky1knows

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    ????

    I was not looking for a reply!! I was not looking for anyone to teach me or for me to grow up. It was pure sarcasm on my part. Do you not understand sarcasm?
     
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    Actually they view it as right to life. They assign the right to the fetus in the same way they assign it to an adult. There is no political gain for right to life. It is only a moral gain.
     
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    No they don't! Let's be real. They view it as punishment.

    Actually they assign MORE rights to the fetus than to any person born. At least in theory. The phrase that, to Republicans, the "right to life" starts at conception and ends at birth has many real life examples to support it. And this forum is full of them.
     
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    You are either posting contradiction or you wish to be made fun of.

    I am not foolish enough to “prove” anything to you. I’ve quoted your own words as a service to third party readers who may have open minds. If you can’t see the inconsistencies in your own words I’ve quoted with the PF quote function, no commentary from me will open your eyes to it.

    The vast majority of what I post on PF is not for the benefit of the member I respond to, but instead for the benefit of third parties.

    Again, since you are new here I’ll point out the two gentlemen who “liked” my initial post to you are diametrically opposed politically, yet they noticed your inconsistencies as well. I count both gentlemen as PF friends even though one likely considers me a right winger and the other likely considers me a left winger. :) To me they are just good dudes I enjoy learning from.
     
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    What nonsense. "in theory" this and "in theory" that. There's a difference between existing innocently in the worm and receiving a seat verdict after being found guilty of a heinous crime. (that is what you're implying, right)?
     
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    In my life, I have been a believer in debates. Debates are where both sides offer their views and offer examples of what the other side is doing wrong. In a debate, you NEVER say "you should know better. Find out for yourself what you did is wrong".

    As such, this argument of yours seems to be a way to state something but not back it up. In other words, ridiculous.
     
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    Impressed with yourself, aren't you?
     
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    Probably not because I have no idea what you're talking abut.
     
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    Your comment on Republicans arguing support of right to life ends when the baby is born smacks of classic LW mantras, e.g. the right supports the death penalty. That is what your comment
    implies. In theory.
     
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    No. I'm ok with the death penalty. But only for convicted criminals as punishment because they committed some egregious crime. Not for mothers who can't get an abortion because Republicans make no exception to protect their life. Even when it's a child who was raped.

    But that's what they call being "pro-life"
     
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    As rare is it is, I agree with you on this. IMHO rape and incest should be exemptions to any and all abortion laws.
     
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    I’ve not made an argument. I’ve used your posts quoted with the PF quote function to show your inconsistencies.

    I find it interesting the portion of your above post in quotes is not my words, but what you need my words to be so your strawman has stuffing.

    Again, I’m not foolish enough to “debate” you on something so obvious to all but those who do not wish to see. I’m simply pointing out your inconsistencies for third party readers. If you are opposed to that happening I’ll advise you as I do others in the same situation—don’t post on an open forum and instead write a blog or use the private messaging feature on PF. On an open forum we don’t get to tell others how to respond to our posts. :)
     
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    Do you see how the fact that the Republican Party is outlawing abortions even in cases in which the life of the mother is in danger (be it because they are too young to carry a child through the whole process, or for any other reason) invalidates all pretense that they are the "pro life party"?

    This is one example. You can't claim to be the "pro life party" if you condemn people to die because they can't afford healthcare, for example. Yet Republicans have done everything in their power to undo what little progress we have achieved. Many people's lives were saved by John McCain's vote. And that should NEVER have come to that razor-thin margin.

    Or if they do nothing (I'm not talking about banning weapons... but even the smallest things) to protect the life of people (be it children or adults) from mass shooters. Or if they oppose saving children from dying hungry when they oppose food-stamps.

    There are MANY reasons why Republicans simply CANNOT claim that they are the "right to life Party", as @fmw claims. They are the party of punishments... Punishing women for having sex when they don't want a child. Punishing the poor for not being able to get a job that pays well. Punishing children for being born into a poor family...
     
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    Nope. most of the GOPers I know follow the "rape, incest, health of the mother" exemption mindset. For obvious reasons, eg media bias, they aren't the ones getting the air time.
    Was I unclear on the point this is not a party wide position?
    [/quote]Sorry, no. You don't get to make the rules.
    Again, you're cherry picking from the most extreme edges of the GOP.
    e poor for not being able to get a job that pays well. Punishing children for being born into a poor family...[/QUOTE] Sorry, this just plain bullshit. Abortion KILLS a human being. The cause of pregnancy has been well known for centuries. Like every other decision in life the choice to have sex has the potential for pregnancy - that's life.
     
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    Too bad his post went over your head. It was well written.
     
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    Do you believe that men can give birth?
     
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    Nobody has "a right to one's own body." Your freedom is always at the sufferance of the state.
     
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    Hahahaha, that goes against the right of humans in general. Every human has the right to life, liberty and happiness. If it is taken from you, it was done by forcer and therefore against the rules of nature.
     
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    I know that. Most GOPers I know also agree with that. But I'm not talking about most GOPers. I'm talking about the party leadership. They ARE pushing bills with no exceptions.
    The most extreme edges of the GOP now LEAD the GOP. And the less extreme edges have allowed them to do so. Historically, that's typical of political parties moving towards fascism.

    That's the official excuse, but not the reason why Republicans oppose abortion. The death of human beings is not a major concern to Republicans. If it were, you would see such concern in the OTHER areas I mentioned where human beings are killed. And you don't.
     
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    That is simply untrue, although some GOP leaders do push to the ridiculous extreme.
     
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    if "most GOPers" agree with you, wouldn't atet suggest either you're wrong about GOP leaders or that they're not " leading"?
    Not true by your own example above. Did they 'follow the extreme edges" in Kansas? And do a little "research on the actual meaning of "fascism" instead of throwing it out willy-nilly.

    Horse manure.
     
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    I like it, but be a little more careful and precise: it is life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. There are mountains of controversy made of that little molehill.
     
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    They are not leading the voters. Just the party. But Republicans haven't become aware yet. So they do what they want.
     
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    What does that even mean?
    Jabberwocky.
     
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    Of course taken by force. That is what governments are. So, if every human has a right to liberty, were do young men go to sue when they are drafted?

    Rights are granted by governments. Governments can take them away.
     

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