General Patton after WW II: "We defeated the wrong enemy"

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  1. Politica Magus

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    Yes, and Rosicrucian, and several other groups.

    We're really not that "secretive." We have private meetings.

    Our "secretive" nature is pragmatic. History, and even modern times, the need for secrecy/privacy.

    Masons come from all walks of life.

    It is explained that our Obligations do not supersede our other obligations and duties in life.

    That's a bunch of nonsense. The facts don't support you.

    Except a true pentagram wouldn't hit those letters, as your image shows a "pentagram" drawn at ridiculous angles to suit your agenda.

    Except the streets of DC don't make a pentagram. If you look at a map of DC, Rhode Island Ave NW doesn't go all the way through to K St NW. Rhode Island Ave NW stops when it runs into Connecticut Ave NW. The pentagram is not complete.

    When you're a hammer, all you see are nails.
     
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    One could say similar about Germans not existing on these, considering how Germany sent the train of Bolsheviks to Russia in 1917, and Friedrich Engels a German, worked with German Jew Karl Marx to formulate Communism.
     
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    I'm quite sure it would be much better for Slavs, if Germans never have existed.

    Germans have been mass murdering Slavic people since the Medieval era, and now Germans are shoving Muslim refugee quotas down Slavs throats.

    Generalplan Ost clearly outlines how Nazi Germany wanted to decimate Slavic peoples.

    Slavic nations were to be killed, or expelled to Siberia, to make way for German Lebensraum.

    Oh, the irony that Germans worked with non-Whites like Japan, and some Arabs, some Chechens, and so forth, while mass murdering White Aryan Slavs.

    Germans truly should be ashamed.
     
  4. Flare

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    Ok, interesting. My great-grandfather was a Mason back in the day in Germany btw.
    Piece of glass fell into my right eye at a young age... but my left sees all... and there's a couple of more coincedences going along.

    Anyway, I know Masons come from all walks of life, but it is also said that only the highest ranks really get to see what they're working on.

    I mean, if US presidents belong to a group to which they have sworn secrecy and to always uphold and protect, in that case it seems one would make decisions which benefits the brotherhood in stead of the people, right..?

    And no offense on this; but another thing what is worrisome is the rumours about the Luciferian worship by the Masons...

    Plus if you look at the Washington map, you can see the Masonic compass and square pointing to the White House?

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    Germany was already under Zionist control back then, so it is high likely the Zionists with some collaborating Germans sent that train over there.
     
  6. Politica Magus

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    So what? My great-grandfather was a fur trapper.

    Well, I belong to groups that <1% of Masons globally belong to and the diversity of employment holds true.

    That's your assumption.

    No such worship exists. Get off of the propaganda sites.

    Well, when you put circles with radial points on a grid street system of course you're going to find all sorts of shapes. I can also spell JESUS with the streets and find an assortment of other shapes.
     
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    Well... it's not coming from propaganda sites, but from the greatest Freemason of all, Albert Pike himself, who wrote about it in his book Morals & Dogma...

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    Well Morals & Dogma was merely his opinion. He was a great ritualist and administrator, but that doesn't give his opinions the weight of law in Freemasonry. They're just his opinions. Pike even states this: "every one is entirely free to reject and dissent from whatsoever herein may seem to be untrue or unsound."

    Plus, the Lucifer quote you show doesn't state that we worship Lucifer. He's pointing out the irony of Lucifer, meaning light bearer, being equated to the devil. Such a statement is true.
     
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    Ok, thank you for the explanation.

    However, let's have a look at WW II now..

    You must be aware that Hitler and the National Socialists were against Masonry, as Hitler saw a massive conspiracy going on:

    [video=youtube;yd3ZsraeaWA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd3ZsraeaWA[/video]

    This probably also had to do with the fact that the leaders of the allied nations; Chamberlain/Churchill, Roosevelt/Truman and Stalin (debatable) were all Freemasons and waged war upon Germany.

    I mean.. the fact that France (also under Masonic control back then) and the UK declared war on Germany alone for invading Poland, and not on the Soviet Union who also invaded Poland... well, that's an indicator about some deals made behind the scenes right? Under normal circumstances they would have declared war on both nations.
     
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    A tyrant will always find a pretext for his tyranny.

    The fact that some world leaders were Masons doesn't justify his crimes or his hatred.

    You are over simplifying the geopolitics and history of pre-WWI, post-WWI, and pre-WWII.
     
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    Well... in contrary to popular belief, Hitler wasn't a tyrant at all. Long-time I thought he indeed was a ruthless dictator, but looking deeper into the material and evidence supporting it, one finds out that wasn't the case.

    After WW I, Germany got cut up crushed by the Treaty of Versailles, which brought them to the brink of destruction. The whole country was bankrupt, fell into the depravity of the Weimar-republic and before Hitler came into power unemployment was massive and suicide-rates were sky-high.

    Hitler pulled them out of that mess by stepping out of the world banking system by printing their own interest-free currency and made Germany an economic superpower within only 6 years.

    However, already 2 months after Hitler came into power, World Jewry already declared war on Germany back in 1933 by boycotting them:

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    His actions speak otherwise.

    When you start believing the pro-Nazi diatribe?

    So that justifies his crimes?
     
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    You're just starting to seem like a Hitler apologist.
     
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    Which actions of him do you mean?

    I started seeing it after an 8 years long day-by-day search, as it is buried under mountains of allied propaganda.

    Because you have probably heard of the following saying: "History is written by the victors"

    And it definately weren't the Germans who got to write history in that case.
     
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    Not an apologist.

    Just someone who found out the Germans were fighting for the right cause and we have all been deceived on a massive scale.

    General Patton also found that out btw... you'll have to see the OP of this topic to see what I'm talking about.
     
  16. Politica Magus

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    Really? Violations of Jus ad Bello and Jus in Bellum. Violations of the Treaty of Versailles.

    I've seen the revisionists version of history. I've seen the mainstream history. I've seen the evidence, studied it (I have a Masters in Foreign Relations and Warfare, plus other degrees), and made my analysis of it all. Quit supporting bad leaders.
     
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    Violations of the Treaty of Versailles..?

    Nowadays almost no-one disagrees that that Treaty was extremely unfair for the Germans, and they had all the rights to remove it.

    Have you ever heard of Benjamin Freedman, an ex-Zionist Jew who was at Versailles and lived in Germany at the time?
    Later, in 1961 he held a speech about it and told about the cause of the war.

    Pls check this, which is only a small excerpt of the speech, but clearly tells the story:

    [video=youtube;rygcAoiw_lI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rygcAoiw_lI[/video]
     
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    None of it justifies Jus ad Bello or Jus in Bellum.

    And as for the Treaty of Versailles...shouldn't have lost.
     
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    From what I read Patton wanted to continue and defeat the Russians. His views were not well received by his contemporaries. His death is still a bit controversial because his car was hit by a huge troop truck that (witnesses said) purposely veered into his car. The soldiers in the truck were said to be drunk and nothing was ever said again. Read 'Killing Patton'...great book.
     
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    Just looked up what Jus ad Bello and Jus in Bellum means; 'the reason you fight and how you fight' I see.

    In that case, the Germans in both cases were righteous.

    - The reason why Germany invaded Poland was because Germans were getting slaughtered in the Danzig-corridor.
    (as that was former German territory which was taken away from them, leaving hundreds of thousands of ethnic Germans living in Poland)

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    - How they fought was as humanely as possible and get it over and done with as fast as possible. (the so called Blitzkrieg, or "Lightning War")
    Only seeking out military targets, unless a fighting force was held up in a city (like Warsaw and Rotterdam for example) they attacked after first sending several warnings to surrender. According to rules of war that was allowed. Last but not least, Hitler ordered anyone who committed rape or unnecessary killing of civilians to be executed. That won't say any warcrimes weren't committed, it was a war after all. But nothing the scale which has been told us all along.
     
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    Myea, and what do you think about John F. Kennedy's remarks about Hitler?

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  22. Politica Magus

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    No. Having studied this quite extensively, they were not righteous.

    This was his excuse...again, tyrants will always find a pretext for their tyranny.

    That not was humane or lawful. They did in fact bomb civilian targets.
     
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    - Could you tell where exactly they weren't righteous so we can discuss?

    - It wasn't an excuse as the Polish were slaughtering Germans in the Danzig corridor; look up the "Bromberg" massacre for example.
    By the way, I think you'll find this very interesting, regarding Germany's reasoning for the invasion of Poland; here's a copy of the relevant documents from the so called "White book":

    - Yes, they bombed civilian targets in some cases (Warsaw and Rotterdam), but this was only when a fighting force held up amongst them (For example, they never bombed Paris as there was no fighting force held up in that city...), or because of retalliation like London. But London got bombed only 3 months after the British were bombing German cities:

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    Hitler infamous speech given on September 4th, 1940, in Berlin.

    Hitler instructed his Generals and Officers to conduct this war in a humane manner, Churchill on the other hand wanted to target civilians. Hitler's response is brutal but honest: bomb us and we will bomb you!
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    Honestly I don't know what that has to do with Patton. Sorry.
     
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    Yeah...Hitler was all for being 'humane' when HIS nuts were in the fire....But....as for the Jews......Hitler had no mercy and, as for his biggest European adversary, England, he terrorized them the V-1s (Buzz bombs) and the V-2 (rockets). I heard first-hand stories of people that were kids at the time how terrifying it was. The Buzz-bombs could be heard coming but when they quit 'buzzing' no one knew where they would hit. The V-2 rockets were all but silent until they hit and exploded. Many civilians were killed.
     

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