General Patton's quotes on Russia and the Russians

How fast do you think it would be? The Finns alone held them off.

 

This entire thread just irritates the hell out of me.
The Bolsheviks were the most evil cast of characters this planet has ever seen, and that is no exaggeration. Europe, with Germany's leadership, stood up to them, launching Operation Barbarossa which was the most justified use of military power in all of human history.

The West stabbed them in the back, kept Stalin alive, and helped him conquer half of Western civilization, giving us the world we have today which is a complete disaster from top to bottom.

After converging on National Socialist Germany and destroying one of the most advanced nations in Western history, everyone `just got tired of war` and went home.
That's your excuse.

I hope it helps you sleep better at night, as that decision essentially destroyed Western civilization and our societies today are all a complete disaster because of it.
The West now has virtually no hope of redemption. It was knifed through the heart by Roosevelt and Churchill. I hope your children and grand children enjoy the fruits of their labor.

Such heroes.

 

In 1940. At the height of the purges.

 

Also, it doesn't matter what the war criminal Winston Churchill "thought." If he didn't have the foresight to know what he was doing, he was as stupid as I have always believed him to be.
Who cares if he "wanted to continue the war," or so he said? He couldn't even fight the war against Germany. He wanted a lot of wars against nations he wasn't equipped to have them with.
FDR was rather fond of Stalin and wanted the British to stay out of Soviet affairs. Putting the majority of the world under Soviet slavery wasn't due to "getting tired of war." It was the PURPOSE of the Allied victory, whether some people were too stupid and too easily manipulated to see it or not.

The only threat to international Communism was National Socialist Germany. We turned that into smoldering ash, raped all its citizens, starved them to death, and made them the great villains of human history for it.

Now what? America has fallen to Bolshevik radicals, no matter what name they go by now. They rule academia, media, Hollywood, and our political system. We'll soon be a Latin America hell hole and I imagine in another few decades our radicalized minority populations will be unleashed on traditional white America for another round of Bolshevik blood lust.

Europe may fall to Islam. Perhaps Nationalism will reawaken there to fight it, and maybe we "righteous Americans" will bomb them into the stone age again for it, "to fight racism"

You killed Western civilization and you celebrate it like some great victory over evil.

You ARE the evil.

Enjoy your death bed.

 

If Patton could have gotten a glimpse into the future he would of turned his army around and started fighting with German soldiers.

That's why our own government probably murdered him.

He wasn't going to go along with your silly narrative.

He realized in the end what had happened and his opinion on the matter would have been a great thorn in the side of the New World Order built on Germany's destruction and the complete fabrication of history that would accompany it.

 

It is always entertaining to hear from the pro-Hitler crowd.

 

Let me repeat my point that I think that no way in hell would either the U.S. or Britain support a war against the Soviets in 1945.

But lets just go with numbers for a bit- first lets go with armor production up to the end of 1945- lets go with end of 1945 as a cutoff.
M4 - - 8,017 21,231 3,504 651 33,403
M4 (76) - - - - 7,135 3,748 10,883
M4 (105) - - - - 2,286 2,394 4,680
M10 GMC - - 639 6,067 - - 6,706
M36 GMC - - - - 1,400 924 2,324
M26 - - - 40 2,162 2,202
call it roughly 60,000 total

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_armored_fighting_vehicle_production_during_World_War_II

Soviet Medium tanks and SP guns
T-34 115 2,800 12,553 15,812 3,500 34,780
T-34-85 10,449 12,110 22,559
T-44 200 200
SP guns SU-122 25 630 493 1,148
SU-85 750 1,300 2,050
SU-100 500 1,175 1,675
Total 127 2,800 12,578 17,192 16,242 13,485 62,424

KV-1 141 1,121 1,753 3,015
KV-1S 780 452 1,232
KV-8 102 35 137
KV-85 130 130
IS-2 102 2,252 1,500 3,854
IS-3 350 350
SP guns KV-2 102 232 334
SU-152 704 704
ISU-122/152 35 2,510 1,530 4,075

Roughly 13,000+ 60,000 from earlier- call it 75,000

So by production alone I would say your numbers were close- 5:4. Though I will point out that when it came to heavy armor- the ratio was closer to 10 to 1.

But we have to take 4,000 Shermans from the U.S.- and give them to the Soviets- because of Lend-Lease- resulting in:
Americans 54,000
Soviets 79,000

That is 25,000 more tanks for the Soviets- or roughly a 3:2 ratio.

But again- assuming we are including Brits too....well I am too tired to dig up British armor numbers.

What I am looking for those is active armor on the Europe front on VE day- and I haven't been able to find it.

Mostly right now, just curious to see what was in service and what was not.

 

No...you send a few thousand bombers to obliterate their fuel supplies, THEN you overrun them!

 

What a pile. I agree that anyone who fights on the Russians' terms is an idiot. So...don't!

First, fly heavy bombers (escorted by long-range P-51's and P-38's) from Italy and Persia to destroy the Caucusus oil production. That results in the Russians having little or no fuel. While the heavy bombers are doing that, the tactical bombers (B-26's, A-26's, and P-47's) hit every railroad bridge, switching yard, and junction from Berlin to Warsaw. (Good as they are at it, camouflaging a rail yard really isn't feasible.) Then, drop an A-bomb on either the largest Soviet troop concentration, or Moscow. Even the Russians couldn't sustain the high casualty rate forever...and by 1945, they were pretty much tapped out.

 

The Allies had the best air-superiority fighter in the world (P-51H Mustang), the best fighter-bomber (P-47D Thunderbolt), the best tactical bomber (De Havilland Mosquito), and the best strategic bombers (B-17 and B-24). Good as the Il-2 was, the Thunderbolt was, by 1945, a far better tank-buster.

Also note: even as well-armored as it was, an Il-2 was very vulnerable. On average, one in 25 was lost against the Germans...and, of course, the ratio would be MUCH higher when fighting the US, with a far superior air force! (Also, the US made liberal use of AA autocannon...20mm, 40mm, and halftrack-mounted quad .50 caliber...and a single 37 or 40mm hit could bring one down.) Contrast that to the P-47: armored like a tank, more than capable of holding its own against fighters, tremendously fast (430MPH)...and actually carrying TWICE the payload of an Il-2! (And the rockets it carried were more powerful and MUCH more accurate.)

And, of course...by 1945, the "Spad" was entering service: the superb Douglas A-1B Skyraider.

 

Pablum. The I-16 was 50MPH slower than a Bf-109e (and almost 100MPH slower than a 109f!) and weakly armed. It was a m,id-30's design and obsolete by 1941. (Even the Bf-109b held its own against the I-16 in the Spanish Civil War.)

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Not to mention: imagine giving Kurt Tank the resources of the US! How long before the lines are rolling with Ta-152 interceptors, I wonder?

 

The Eighth Air Force...by sucking fighters west as interceptors and flattening factories! The Red Air Force won on quantity, not quality. They had nothing to match the P-51D, the P-47D, or the P-47N.

 

Then there was the Yak-9, both faster and more agile than anything the Germans had which was even shooting down the Me262 jet fighter. The Russians were building very fine and very capable aeroplanes, and in huge numbers.

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The Yak-9 was considered by many to be superior to the P-51-itself a fine aeroplane. Trust me, the Soviet air force had quality in spades.

 

Not really...it could not reach the altitude a B-29 flew at. Also note: a B-29 could outrun an LaGG-3. (Minimum: it could stay ahead long enough for the gunners to rip it apart.)

 

Pablum! The Soviets STILL relied extensively on Lend-Lease aid in 1945! Offhand: they still could not feed their troops...and to the end of the war, EVERY DROP of high-octane avgas the Red Air Force used came from the United States! (They could not make it.)

So...how much performance does a Yak-9 lose burning 85-octane fuel rather than 105-octane?

 

How much performance does it lose when burning 85-octane fuel rather than the American high-octane avgas the Soviets, in 1945, could not make?

 

Interesting, and educational, film here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s382_MemQtU
When you're enjoying a 28:2 kill ration the octane of your fuel isn't really important. A German ace is quoted in the film as saying that of all the fighters he encountered the Yak-9 was the finest in his opinion.

 

Can't watch the vid now, it won't load on my phone. I'll see it later, though.

Question: How many Yak-9's were in service in 1945, and how many Mustangs and Thunderbolts?

 

According to Wiki 16,769 were built in several variants.

 

How many of those were in service in 1945? It was built into 1948. The figure I see is 14,579 during the war...but how many were lost to the Germans?

Also: per Wiki, they are notably slower than the P-47D, the P-51D, the Mosquito, the Fw-190a, the Bf-109G-6, and the P-38.

 

The Silverplates didn't have gunners and the weight of the atomic bombs slowed them down significantly.

 

So make sure the Red Air Force has been ground down first.

 

This thread is nothing more than a US masturbatory fantasy.

 

Depends, as with all things, which Mark we're talking about. The Yak-9U had a top speed of 435mph. The Yak-9DD very long range version (1,367 miles) escorted US heavy bombers. The Fw-190A was slower. The Me-190G was faster but by all accounts was not as good an aeroplane as the earlier E and F variants being considerably heavier, and had poor tight-turn capability-a critical asset in a dogfight-where the Yak was markedly superior.
The Yak-9 first flew in 1942 and was produced in several variants until final delivery in 1946. The 9U entered service in 1944.

 

Patton was a big mouth ...he wasn´t a Konev, Vatutin, Zhukov, Malinovsky or Rokossovsky or Rotmistrov.. He never fought a battle like Moscow, Harkov, Stalingrad, Kurks or the famous Bragation : The Battle of annihilation of Heeresgruppe "Mitte" (Army Group "Center").