Georgia Black Man Charged with Murder Claims He Shot at White Teens in Self-Defense

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  1. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think your "self embellishment" might have helped you out here. Some times others just can't do the work for you when you are slow.
     
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    Ya we all read it :) Good story, great climax, loved it 3:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
     
  3. WhoDatPhan78

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    What do you think is the cause of this disparity?

    Do you believe that black and Hispanic young men are just naturally more inclined to be "shitbag gangbangers"?
     
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  4. Bluesguy

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    No I missed she was the one actually in the car, the people in the truck had thought that was someone else. Her account was a contemporaneous to her friend who then related to the police and the police confirmed with her. As I said unless he can prove the self defense his firing the truck could get him a manslaughter charge

    2010 Georgia Code
    TITLE 16 - CRIMES AND OFFENSES
    CHAPTER 5 - CRIMES AGAINST THE PERSON
    ARTICLE 1 - HOMICIDE
    § 16-5-2 - Voluntary manslaughter

    O.C.G.A. 16-5-2 (2010)
    16-5-2. Voluntary manslaughter


    (a) A person commits the offense of voluntary manslaughter when he causes the death of another human being under circumstances which would otherwise be murder and if he acts solely as the result of a sudden, violent, and irresistible passion resulting from serious provocation sufficient to excite such passion in a reasonable person; however, if there should have been an interval between the provocation and the killing sufficient for the voice of reason and humanity to be heard, of which the jury in all cases shall be the judge, the killing shall be attributed to deliberate revenge and be punished as murder.



    2010 Georgia Code
    TITLE 16 - CRIMES AND OFFENSES
    CHAPTER 5 - CRIMES AGAINST THE PERSON
    ARTICLE 1 - HOMICIDE
    § 16-5-1 - Murder; felony murder

    O.C.G.A. 16-5-1 (2010)
    16-5-1. Murder; felony murder


    (a) A person commits the offense of murder when he unlawfully and with malice aforethought, either express or implied, causes the death of another human being.

    (b) Express malice is that deliberate intention unlawfully to take the life of another human being which is manifested by external circumstances capable of proof. Malice shall be implied where no considerable provocation appears and where all the circumstances of the killing show an abandoned and malignant heart.

    (c) A person also commits the offense of murder when, in the commission of a felony, he causes the death of another human being irrespective of malice.

    (d) A person convicted of the offense of murder shall be punished by death, by imprisonment for life without parole, or by imprisonment for life.

    It's going to be a tough one there are problems on both sides as to the story being told.
     
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  5. glitch

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    He was following the car he was shooting at. He wasn't standing his ground.
     
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  6. Andrew Jackson

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    That's nice.
    At least you admit that you weren't paying close enough attention when you posted THIS in Post #186
    Admitting your mistake is more than 99% of people do around here.
    Usually, when they get called out, they refuse to acknowledge that they got owned, and flee the thread.
    So, kudos to you.
    For admitting that you made a post based on your failure to thoroughly grasp the available information.

    Which is Exactly WHY in Post #188, I posted THIS:

    Huh?
    Lolwut?:roflol:

    You just posted all of that?
    And, then you ask a question that PROVES that you haven't even been following the case?:bored:

    "nothing from the girlfriend in the car"?
    Are you serious?

    Wilson’s then-girlfriend Emma Rigdon described how she and Wilson had gone out for drive thru back in June 2020. She says the truck in which Haley Hutcheson was a passenger followed them through several traffic lights on Statesboro’s bypass.

    She testified she was frightened and feared the worst when the truck veered into their lane several times while the young men inside waved and gestured.

    “It’s in the middle of the night. There’s no lights on that road. I didn’t really know what was going to happen,” said witness Emma Rigdon.


    https://www.wtoc.com/2021/09/23/day-2-marc-wilson-hearing-attorney-found-contempt-court/

    ___________

    Anyway, I am glad to see you acknowledge Rigdon's statements.

    And, I do agree that it presents a very interesting case for a Jury.
     
  7. drluggit

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    The law says a vehicle can be a deadly weapon. Is there an assertion that the child used it in that fashion? I don't know, no details.
     
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    No, I suspect it's a direct result of their culture, rather than any sort of genetic predisposition or natural inclination. More young black men grow up without their father being in their home and involved in their lives. This has a well-documented correlation with a whole host of social ills. They also grow up in poorer, more crime-ridden and violent neighborhoods, on average. They grow up in a culture that not only does not value education, but specifically devalues it, where many of their peers and acquaintances think that studying hard and being attentive to one's school work is "acting white". Given the inevitable dearth of opportunities this leads to, gang membership starts to look like a more attractive alternative for more young men in those circumstances.
     
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    Good post, I just wanted to clarify a point. Wilson is being charged with violating OCGA 16-5-21 Aggravated Assault and 16-5-1(c). That (c) portion is what is commonly called the "felony murder" rule. As I understand it, it allows the prosecution to bypass the need to prove malice aforethought. If they can prove the aggravated assault occurred (and this is where Wilson's self defense claim will come into play, I think) and that Haley died as a result, they get the murder conviction essentially for free.

    § 16-5-21:
    § 16-5-1:
    This is the same way they charged the McMichaels and Bryan with Arbery's death.

    GUILTY: McMichaels, Bryan convicted in Arbery murder | The Clayton Crescent

    Gregory McMichael and William Bryan were actually acquitted of the "malice murder" counts, but got popped for the "felony murder" tied to the aggravated assault.
     
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    Haley didn't "use" the vehicle in any fashion. She was a passenger, sitting in the back seat.
     
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    will have to see what the jury says, he was on the road, he did not have to remove himself from the situation, he by law was allowed to stand his ground

    if that law did not exist, then he would have a harder time in court
     
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    Sanity. So, she couldn't have, in any way, produced a condition that "threatened the shooters body or life". Good to know. It entirely undercuts that attempt to use self defense.
     
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    Yea, but why is the “culture” like that?

    Did some outside force create that culture or is it just the way they are, and they were always destined to that culture?

    It’s an important question because the answer determines who is responsible for changing it.
     
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    They are responsible for changing it themselves. Nobody else can do it for them.

    To answer your first two questions, the culture is "like that" as a result of every poor decision every member of that culture makes, all aggregated together over time. Every time one boy punches another and tells him to "quit acting white" because he was trying to study. Every time some shitty little gangbanger sells a baggie of crack for a blowjob or a stolen pair of sneakers. Every time a boy drunkenly f***s some girl at a party without protection, and then ditches her when she winds up pregnant and leaves that child fatherless. Every time some "parent" decides it's easier to sit home on welfare than go out and get a job and be a role model of hard work and success for their children. Every time some thug robs a store. Every time a drive-by shooting occurs. Each of those individual acts are contributing to make their culture "like that".

    And it's worth mentioning here that that culture isn't unique to black people, but it's most prevalent among them. There are hispanics and whites that make shitty decisions too which drag down themselves and their community. They just do it less frequently, on the average, than blacks.

    And no, they weren't "destined" to that culture any more than Michael Brown was destined to a short life of strong-arm robbery. They choose it, and they could choose another way if they wanted to.
     
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    Spin it as you will but, by any category whether employment, education, home ownership, building wealth etc., etc., etc., people of color get the short end of the stick. I don't know how this will play out. He may be the 1 in 100 who are successful.
     
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    See post 215.
     
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    I've read it. What is it that you're hoping I see in it?
     
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    Why do you believe Asians exceed whites in these categories?
     
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    That is true, but good luck convincing a judge and jury that you feared someone’s car while you are in your own car. Especially when you car escapes with zero damage. That’s a laughable argument in this case.
     
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    Yes, and all those studies have similar flaws. You'll notice that you couldn't actually address what I said other than to call it "spin".

    As to whether this guy will succeed on his self-defense claim I don't know. I don't know enough about the case to come to a conclusion either way. But I do hope that it will be decided on the facts. Not on the belief that the justice system is racist or any other belief. You should want that also.
     
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    That’s not how it works. If that was the case, then the shooter would have to have major damage on his car proving that’s what was happening. Not only that, but tire marks would have to be investigated and everything. What you are saying is this…

    If I look over at somebody in a car next to me that I don’t like… I could just unload on them, then call the police and claim they tried running me off the road. That doesn’t make any sense. There has to be overwhelming and clear proof that happened.
     
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    So kids are choosing to grow up in communities dominated by gangs with inadequate education?
     
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    Guess we'll just wait and see. I have no decisions made.
     
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    I actually hope that if the facts in the case are accurate as stated by the article that he is found innocent. I think someone should be able to lethally defend themselves from car attacks as well.

    However, The problem with this is that race is more the subject of the article than actual facts are. So there is obviously one half of the story not told here that is intentionally ignored by the author. There were obvious witnesses that stories were not on display. That makes me wonder why.
     
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    .(c) A person also commits the offense of murder when, in the commission of a felony, he causes the death of another human being irrespective of malice. ...

    Have they charged him with a felony just for the discharge of the gun? I could see lessor charge thingy if found guilty.

    The question is who to believe, the persons in the truck or the persons in the car.
     

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