Germany Don't Throw The Ukrainian People To The Russian Wolves!

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  1. JimfromPennsylvania

    JimfromPennsylvania Active Member Past Donor

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    The government of Germany is not acting like a good government in failing to come to the aid of Ukraine on the Russian invasion threat. Most people in the Free world aren't expecting the German government to send German combat troops to Ukraine to defend the country but they do expect the German government to send lethal weapons to Ukraine to help the Ukrainian people defend themselves. Sending the people of Ukraine helmets and uniforms when the survival of their country is on the line, have you no shame Berlin! Germany is the wealthiest country in one of the three major economic blocks in the world those being the United States, the European Union and the Asia block. As the most economically powerful country in the European Union, an economic bloc comprised of free capitalistic countries you Germany have a responsibility to come to the aid of a country in your geographic neighborhood faced with losing this character. Make no bones about it one of Vladimir Putin's top priorities going after Ukraine is to derail it from becoming a prosperous free country because if that outcome were to occur the desire for that type of life might spread over the border and take hold and grow in the Russian people leading to a Russian rebellion where they rise up and overthrow the bridle of the Putin government to achieve what the Ukrainian people have and obviously Valdimir Putin doesn't want that! With Germany being the recipient of this great economic success in its region it has this moral obligation to Ukraine a country in its region including which requires not only the German government to not obstruct other countries from delivering military aid to Ukraine but itself to deliver such aid especially considering that Germany has a military weapons manufacturing industry!

    A pox should fall on German federal officials and German national political party leaderships responsible for Germany failing in its international moral duties right now in not aiding the country of Ukraine with military equipment when a Russian military invasion force is standing outside their door! This is really tough to digest how callous these German officials are considering that the eastern part of Germany was for almost fifty years part of the olde Russian Soviet Union, a sovereign territorial entity that was just a larger version of Putin's current Russia, where many German people were unjustly sent by the Soviet government to the Soviet gulag prison system in Siberia where they suffered horrible lives; these German leaders therefore know what is in store for many good Ukrainian citizens that challenge Putin's authoritative regime after this invasion when the people of Ukraine are under the heel of Putin's Russia. It is no defense here for German leaders to hide behind things that rose out of Nazi German aggression during World War II and the world's effort to not see it or anything like it repeated by Germany; any effects at issue here can be worked around because today we are talking about international law and moral law relating to a people's sovereign rights especially to protect their sovereign territorial borders against foreign military aggression, there is no moral issue here involving questioning the rightness of the Ukrainian people stance - the Ukranian people are fully in the moral and legal right here!
     
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    Most modern Germans have Russian after WW2 and will support their Russian brothers and sisters.
     
  3. Caligula

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    OP, you should start a petition and send it to the current German government. Not shure what you're trying to achieve by posting such a "letter" on an online forum. The new government is indeed acting a bit reserved concerning the current situation in Ukraine and they are being criticized domestically for that.
    However, when it comes to weapons, there are so many arms producing countries that Ukraine could turn to, especially France, the US, Britain.
    I for one don't think that Putin really wants to start a ground war. He's trying to strenghten Russia's geo-political status, back to USSR 2.0 in a way. Russia's foreign politics is strongly dominated by the thought that strong countries have the right to suppress their weaker neighbours and tell them what to do and how to do it. Russia's dream would be a collapse of the EU, because then Moscow could easily dominate pretty much all the smaller European nations. But since Russia doesn't have the economic power that China has, Putin uses a geo-political military approach to stir up a crisis worse than anything the continent has seen in the last six or seven decades.

    Regarding that second comment. I'm not even sure what that's suppossed to mean. There are around two and a half million people in Germany who hail from Russia (or their parent generation) or one of the former USSR states. The idea that most Germans will "support their Russian brothers and sisters" is nonsense.
     
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    You have to take in consideration, that those comments are made by people, who would not find Germany on a map. Even if Germany was written on it.
     
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    Why should Germany come to the military aid of a none NATO member ?
    Just because ?
    Maybe the German political leadership has a different view of what is going on. Like Iraq, were the US and the Brits got burned badly.
     
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    Caligula Well-Known Member

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    With some (in fact an awful lot) of our yank friends this is sad but true. In den meisten Fällen leider absolut zutreffend.
     
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    The Scotsman Well-Known Member

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    That's pretty much it......cognitive dissonance....the Germans sending medical aid and medical assistance and then being slammed for not sending weapons....I mean....yeah..
     
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    What exactly do you mean by this?
     
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    Seems to be a question of: Be damned if you do - and be damned if you don't.
     
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    You are indeed speaking words of truth and wisdom! :)
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't think you understand how people think in Germany. After WW2, Germany sort of renounced wanting to engage in any more wars, at least seriously. They only sometimes send a small number of forces (mostly for good will) when the US does a big invasion. German society is very progressive pacifist these days and very averse to the idea of foreign intervention. They just want to focus on themselves and their industry, trying to increase their exports.
    There is no realistic chance Germany is going to change course and become militaristic anytime soon, not unless the situation drastically changes and Germany becomes very pressed. It's hard to say where the line is, but if Russia invaded the Baltic states, that would probably initiate Germany into a new cold war, and I don't think Germany would outright invade unless it came to the point that Russia was imminently going to invade Poland.
     

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