GERMANY JOINS CHORUS CASTING DOUBT ON TRUMP ADMINISTRATION CLAIM THAT IRAN WAS BEHIND ATTACK ON OIL

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  1. vman12

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    Sure they do.

    Defend terrorism some more for me.
     
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    Any military strike is not the way to go. And calling Iran the evilest gov't on earth sounds like hyperbole.
     
  3. JessCurious

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    I do believe Iran is the evilest government on earth. If you are interested, go to the Middle East section of the forum. I have posted several threads on human rights violations in Iran. The first is
    entitled the "Murder of Zahra Kazemi," and there are several more after that. I could quite literally write about human rights violations in Iran every day for the rest of my life, and still come nowhere
    near to covering them all. You didn't answer my question, what kind of war do you think Trump is planning to start. I have said repeatedly that I am against a military strike and don't believe there
    will be one.
     
  4. CourtJester

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    Because one blew up and they were checking for others to prevent further damage.
     
  5. Sobo

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    I know an Iranian and he appears to live a good life.
     
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    No actually the world doesn't and the only evidence you will find is that ancient Israeli document find that was way before Iran drooped it's program.

    But of you have any real evidence post it because so far nobody has been able to do so.
     
  7. JessCurious

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    "he appears to live a good ;life." the operative word here is HE. Women have markedly fewer rights then men in Iran. If a man doesn't mind living in a theocracy without political or religious
    freedom, and with no freedom of the press, then perhaps life isn't so bad. Men, after all, can wear whatever Western clothes they want (a right women don't have), and have a much greater
    choice when it comes to education, employment, and marriage.
     
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    Women in Iran have much more rights than in any other middle eastern country. They work, go university and have freedoms, women in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Jordan ect can only dream about.

    So answer me this, USA conquered iraq and afghanistan. Why did USA not give the women there rights, that women in Iran have?

    There are more women in iranian universities than in USA or Europe. Infact one of the hughest quotas if women in university in the world.
     
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    Are you seious?

    Why do you think there was a nuclear agreement with iran in the first place if they were not a threat to build nuclear weapons

    This is really silly of you
     
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    How about Irans right for nuclear power + its legit Security interests?
     
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    So why is germany denying this right that you say they have?
     
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    We dont denie this right. We even sold them the centrifuges
     
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    Thats not a very smart thing to do
     
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    I agree the state of women's rights is poor throughout the Muslim World, but I don't believe that those in Iran are better off than those in other Muslim countries. If you go to the Middle East section
    of this forum, you can look at some threads I started there on women in Iran - 'The Murder of Zahra Kazemi,' 'The Hanging of Atefeh Sahaaleh,' 'The Mysterious Death of Zahra Bani Yaghoub,'
    and "Women's Rights in Iran.' Women in Iran are legally considered half as valuable as a man - in court their testimony is legally only half as valuable as a man's (making it almost impossible to
    successfully prosecute rape cases), a daughter may only inherit half as much as a son. If a woman is accidently killed by a car, her family is entitled to only half as much compensation as it
    would get if the victim was a male. A woman requires the permission of her father or male quardian to get married regardless of her age. A woman must live with her husband, father or male guardian
    regardless of her age - single women may not live alone. A woman has to have written permission from her husband, father or male guardian to apply for a passport, travel abroad, attend college or
    get a job. Women are required to wear the hajib (headscarf) in Iran and can be fined, flogged or jailed for removing it (scores of women have been arrested during protests against this law). If a
    woman gets a divorce - a rare occurance - she automatically losses custody of her children, who are considered legally to belong to the father. A divorced woman must return to her father or
    male guardian to live. These restrictions have their effect. On May 9, 2019, a spokesman (Ira Hariji) for Iran's Ministry of Health and Medical Education said that 27.6% of Iranian women suffer
    from mental illness.
     
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    Still better than in any other middle eastern country
     
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    Glad to see you are unable to post any evidence whatsoever. Unless of course you think having very slightly enriched uranium is leading to a bomb.

    And I might add that everyone thought Iraq was building nuclear weapons thanks to the lies by the US. We invaded the country and did we find any. The answer is no.
     
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    The whole nuclear enrichment ban was to prevent iran from having nuclear weapons
     
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    Not really. I say they're just about equal to the Saudi in regard to human rights.
     
  19. CourtJester

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    Except there is absolutly no evidence they were trying to make them, But yes the deal was to make sure in the future if they decided to go nuclear there would be inspectors who could detect the effort and addition time to deal with the threatsince their uranium supply would be significantly reduced.

    And you haven't been able to provide any evidence of a nuclear development plan in Iran because there is none.
     
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    So iran was being mistreated by the other countries of the world?
     
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    Huh! The Iran nuclear deal was a win for both Iran and the other signatories.
     
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    No it wasn't.
    At best it only put a 10 years delay on iran producing a nuclear device. A good deal would have been for iran to totally dismantle their nuclear weapon program and accept a purely civilian nuclear central program in partnership with either the european or russia for disposal and monitoring of fissible material.
     
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    Well a hell of a lot better than now wasn't it? Looks like thanks to Trump Iran may actually pursue nuclear weapons very, very soon. So ten years is now one year thanks to our idiot in chief.
     
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    There never was any garantee that iran was complying to the deal since military installations were excluded from surveillance. I say, they never really stopped hence why they were able to go over the limit so soon. They never stopped working on their delivery system either which they were supposed to do according to the deal.
     
  25. CourtJester

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    That nonsense again. That was the same crap used to justify the Iraq war. Just keep making the inspections so onerous that eventually the country will say enough and then you have the pretense to go to war.

    And by the way even our Moron In Chief agreed they were living up to the agreement.
     

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