GERMANY JOINS CHORUS CASTING DOUBT ON TRUMP ADMINISTRATION CLAIM THAT IRAN WAS BEHIND ATTACK ON OIL

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  1. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm not angry.

    On the contrary. Europe siding with Islamic terrorists shows who is weak.
     
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    Why? Some say Lockerbie was justified response. Only when your people taste their own medicine they learn.

    And no, there were not hundreds attacks going on. The A300 had a daily route and was even on time. Its like bombing a train for mistaking it with a tank.

    Beside that, its irrelevant. You are too weak and showed you dont dare to attack Iran, as long its allied with Germany, France and UK.

    Also be careful, we have a radar that detects your F35. Would be a shame if Iran gets that tech.
     
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    In 1988 Iran launched over 160 attacks on shipping in the same area.

    Perhaps you should read your own source, there was literally a war going on when that aircraft was shot down:

    In 1984, the war between Iraq and Iran had expanded to include air attacks against oil tankers and merchant shipping of neighboring countries, some of whom were providing aid to Iraq by shipping Iraqi oil. The Flight 655 incident occurred a year after the Iraqi Air Force attack on the U.S. Navy guided-missile frigate USS Stark on 17 May 1987, which killed 37 American sailors. U.S. naval forces had also exchanged gunfire with Iranian gunboats in late 1987, and the U.S. Navy guided-missile frigate USS Samuel B. Roberts had struck an Iranian sea mine in April 1988. Two months before the incident, the U.S. had engaged in Operation Praying Mantis, resulting in the sinking of the Iranian frigate Sahand. Tensions were therefore high in the Strait of Hormuz at the time of the incident with Flight 655.

    Why, is Germany going to start another war?
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As I've said before, we shouldn't be aligning with anyone in the ME, including SA.
     
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    You haven't told me when Iran did the things you said, but since you said it.




    They did it!
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    Because I said so. Finito!
     
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    So you now say americans cant make a difference between gun boats and a ****ing A300?

    Here for you:

    Gun boat:

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    A300:

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    I see you're losing the argument.

    The explanation for why it was shot down is in the source YOU provided.

    You should read it.
     
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    Oh, that means we were arming the terrorists in Syria because we're weak. Interesting!
     
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    Yes, it says because your military staff is brainless idiots. Mistook an iranian airliner with iranian gun boats or iraqi F-14 (which would have been from another country even)

    I know that your country accepts even the lowest scum in its ranks, but that deep? Really?
     
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    What angers us is Americans who have died at the hands of Iranians, Iranian allies and Iranian IED's. We aren't particularly fond of the "death to America" chants. In a nutshell, Iran is an enemy of the U.S. Not your enemy? Fine. But don't define whom we should consider an enemy.
     
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    I´m sure the Iranians aren t that fond eitehr that you first instaleld a tyrant there who murdered tenthousands. With your help btw.

    And that you later bribed Iraq to attack Iran which killed almost one million iranians.

    actio - reactio

    You committ crimes and then cry foul when the victim strikes back.

    We dont care what you consider an enemy. We wont allow a war against Iran. Any attack against Iran is a fundamental attack against german and european security.
     
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    Oh I didn't realize I was talking to a super smart radar operator that is well versed in 1980's radar technology.

    Yeah, we're a bunch of untermensch. Thanks for giving the world that term, btw.

    As I've said multiple times, if this is what you want for Germany, be my guest.

    I'll just sit back and eat popcorn until Germany, who has a history of making great decisions, makes another great one.
     
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    Will we face the dreaded broomstick battalion?

    German army used broomsticks instead of guns during training

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wo...omsticks-instead-of-guns-during-training.html
     
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    That's fun. How would you not allow it?
     
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    That's what terrorism is for....
     
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    Hey what you say about our decission in 2003 to not join you in iraq war and to call outr Rumsfeld in UN meeting openly saying that your war is based on a lie and that you will need to occupy Iraq for decades, destabilize the nation and give rise to islamist terror organisations?

    Somehow our radar operators never shot down an civilian airplane. It appears we dont make such mistakes.
     
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    By giving Iran our passive-radar tech which can detect F-35 and also our Kavitations-Torpedo, which is the only supersonic torpedo in the world, steerable and able to blow up your aircraft carriers.

    But i doubt thats needed. There are thousands of german workers in Iran. You would never dare to attack a target where they are present.
     
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    I'll say it again, since you haven't heard it the last 10 times I've said it: we shouldn't be in the ME at all.

    It doesn't need us to implode, and there's no reason we should care.

    If you want to be the guardian of the ME, be my guest.
     
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    No, we just want that you **** off. Your wars make refugees. An attack against Iran is a direct threat for german security. Thats a simple fact.
     
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    Don't blitzkrieg me bro.

    I don't blame you for puffing up that paper tiger of a military you have, and I understand your concern with the constant influx of Islamic terrorism into your country.

    I'll just keep saying: you want the ME, go for it. We already know how that's going to turn out.
     
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    What military? Our military suffers from political incompetence, thats not the case of our defense industry. We are Nr. 4 in the world. Even before UK, China and Isral. Our weapon tech is top.

    Beside that, you would never dare to attack sites where german staff is present.
     
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    I notice that all of the so called Iranian terrorists are supportive of Palestine and against Israel. Others might call them freedom fighters. Has Iran committed any of your 'so called' terrorist acts against any nation other than Israel? If you see this as being state sponsored terrorism, then how about Israel, Turkey and the US supporting Al Nusra when they were beheading Christians in Syria non stop?

    Just because some people say something, doesn't mean it is necessarily so.





    They did it!
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    Because I said so. Finito!

     
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    Yeah terrorism against Israel is fine, right? I mean without Israel, there would be freedom and human rights in the ME.

    Gotta resist the only inclusive, democratic non-violent country in the ME for muh freedom.

    As for Al Nusra, you'll have to ask Obama why he also supported those terrorists as well. He didn't know an Islamic terrorist group he didn't like to fund.
     
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