Germany military leader in Europe!

That's a lie since you did:

 

What you call a claim ('Germany didn't start WW I') isn't a claim, it's a historical fact. One that you don't seem to be familiar with.
What you said ('Germany started two World Wars') is a claim since it's historically incorrect.

 

Awesome. Feel free to fill me in. Again, was it the "Joos"? The evil US capitalist pigs? Who started WWI in your opinion? Who started WWII? Please expound upon this subject with your professed expertise.

 

Then you know now. 90% of Germans despise all this bavarian ****. We dont wear Lederhosen ad never did wear lederhosen. We dont celebrate Oktoberfest and we hate to be associated with this garbage.

In america somehow this rubbish is connected with all of Germany and it has ridicolous effects.

You have a so called Steuben parade. Steuben was a prussian. Prussians like Steuben were the arch enemies of bavarians. Totally different cultural background since Prussians and bavarians are different germanic groups.

Now at your parades they walk around in bavarian clothes and believe thats "german". In 15 of the 16 german federal states you would get hunted on the streets.

 

Germany joined WW I one week after it broke out. Austria Hungary declared war on Serbia. Russa declared war on Austria Hungary and France and Uk declared war on Austria hungary.

Explain to me how Germany started a war that it was not even part of in its initial days?

 

I strongly doubt anyone has factual evidence that "90% of Germans despise" bavarians or their customs. OTOH, young, angry comrades of the former German Democratic Republic (GDR) AKA Eastern Germany have plenty of reasons to be both jealous and resentful.

Bavaria is a state in southeastern Germany bordering Liechtenstein, Austria and the Czech Republic. State capital Munich is known for its annual Oktoberfest beer festival, art museums and ornate Nymphenburg Palace. The Romantic Road scenic route starts in northwestern Würzburg, winds south through pastoral villages and medieval towns and culminates in the foothills of the Alps near Germany’s southern border.

 

Who invaded whom first?

 

I asked you a simple question.

On 28 July the Austro-Hungarians declared war on Serbia and on the next day Russia declared a partial mobilization, followed by a general mobilization on 30 July.[13] Germany presented an ultimatum to Russia to demobilise, and when this was refused, declared war on Russia on 1 August. Being outnumbered on the Eastern Front, Russia urged its Triple Entente ally France to open up a second front in the west. Over forty years earlier in 1870, the Franco-Prussian War had ended the Second French Empire and France had ceded the provinces of Alsace-Lorraine to a unified Germany. Bitterness over that defeat and the determination to retake Alsace-Lorraine made the acceptance of Russia's plea for help an easy choice, so France began full mobilisation on 1 August and, on 3 August, Germany declared war on France.

So explain me how Germany started WW I, when it joined into it 5 days after it broke out? Time machine?

There is not one historian who would say Germany started WW I.

 

North Korea says the US declared war on them. Are we at war? No. If North Korea uses that as a premise to attack South Korea or anyone else, will the ex-communists say that the US started the war? Yes, they will but they will be as wrong as those who declare that WWI was started by the "Austro-Hungarians". As the link below details, there is a lot of blame to go around but the main weight belongs to Germany just as it does to WWII.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26048324

 

Russia marched towards the Austrian border and France declared war on Germany and started to send its troops at the border.

So when should Germany react? When Cologne has fallen?


If Canada declares war on USA and sends its troops against your border, when will you start to counter act? When Canada is at Boston? Or when canadian troops reached Lousiana?

Your link is bullshit. It says Germany should have stayed neutral.

Cool, so Germany stays neutral and why should France and UK not stay neutral?

I give you a hint, propably evryone should have stayed neutral. Not Germany alone.

 

No reason to ridicule this, I think a half-way mature debate should be possible here. I'm not sure what you're trying to say regarding the "Joos" or those evil US capitalists. I didn't claim to have what you call 'professional expertise' either.
Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia on July 28 and immediately started bombarding Belgrade, these were the first ats of war. In historical science, this day, July 28, is the beginning of WWI. If you say Germany started WWI, it's just false, plain and simple. This usually reminds me of those folks who claim the on June 6, 1944, the US stormed Normandy and liberated Europe. Simplifying things must be very tempting for some people. To ne it doesn't make any sense.
Now, what exactly caused the conflict or, in other words, what led to the so-called July Crisis 1914 and then eventually to the war itself has been debated for quite some time. These things never just fall from the sky out of the blue, they always have a background, a chain of events that leads to the final result if you will. Even your link doesn't give a definite answer. There are others (e.g. Christopher Clarke, Herfried Münkler) who would most certainly not agree with the notion that it was Germany alone being responsible for the start of WWI.
In my mind, there is no doubt that the Kaiser's policies played an important role in leading to the events of July 1914 and the German empire is one of the responsible powers, but that was not the question here. 'What caused it' and 'Who started it' are not the same question.
Regarding WWII it should be rather obvious, Nazi-Germany invaded Poland on Sep 1, 1939, I'd say every sane person would consider that the start of WWII.

 

So you are okay with the US nuking Pyongyang because of all the threats made by the DPRK? I doubt it. Massing at the border is one thing, but crossing it is an act of war. You refuse to publicly admit it, but the fact remains Germany crossed the border of neutral Belgium just like they did in WWII.

 

Exactly and the mature answer is recognizing the difference between upholding an alliance by declaring war and actually committing an act of war. If you want to believe Germany is completely innocent and just reacting to attacks by the Russians, French or those heinous neutral Belgians, go for it. Historical fact says different.

 

According to our Germany defenders, North Korea should attack China or Russia for massing troops along it's border.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4428384/Putin-sends-troops-Russia-s-border-North-Korea.html
Vladimir Putin is sending troops and equipment to Russia's border with North Korea over fears the US is preparing to attack Kim Jong-un.

The Russian President fears there will be a huge exodus of North Korean refugees if his American counterpart, Donald Trump, launches military action against Pyongyang.

It comes days after it emerged that China is also sending 150,000 soldiers to its southern frontier to cope with the tidal wave of North Koreans Beijing fears would flee across the border if war breaks out.

This morning, footage emerged appearing to show how Putin is reinforcing his 11-mile border with North Korea by relocating troops and equipment...

 

Those entangling alliances the founding fathers warned about. If Germany didn't follow the Schlieffen plan which resulted in invading neutral countries allied with the UK, it probably would have turned out differently. Those alliances shifted a lot in the years leading to WW I. France still had troops in Normandy to oppose an English invasion until just a few years before the war for example.

 

It is the highest duty of evry nation to protect its citizens and state. France declared war on Germany and did send its troops. I expect from my leadership to act before it is too late.

The declaration of war is the start of the war. Its that easy. If France doesent want get attacked it should not declare a war and send its troops.

 

I didn't make that claim, I didn't say that.
It seems you're confusing things here.

 

Correct, so you think the US should attack the DPRK and the DPRK should attack both China and Russia?

Are you claiming France sent troops into Germany before Germany sent troops through a neutral country?

 

You danced around it. You claimed I didn't know history. You throw out insults and accusations. Now stand up like a man and prove your point with evidence instead of dancing around like a cheap pole dancer.

Accusations and insults are not evidence. Prove your point with facts.

 

Reading comprehension (I should have known). So, you accuse me of not providing evidence for my points when you haven't done it either? And where exactly did I insult you? Interesting point, btw, that you forgot the word 'Maybe' in the sentence you quoted. On purpose?
You said:.
If you want to believe Germany is completely innocent and just reacting to attacks by the Russians, French or those heinous neutral Belgians.
This has nothing to do with what I said earlier and has nothing to do with the comment of mine that you replied to.
I said: In my mind there is no doubt that the Kaiser's policies played an important role in leading to the events of July 1914 and the German empire is one of the responsible powers. Meaning one of the powers responsible for the July Crisis that eventually led to the outbreak of WWI.
I never claimed what you said I claimed. If you consider that 'dancing around', that's your take.
In fact there is some dancing in your arguments. First you claimed Germany started WWI, later your posted that BBC link which talks about what and who caused WWI and who is more or most responsible (not the same thing). It also seems you didn't realize that your link doesn't support your first claim.
I've already said that July 28 1914 is considered the beginning of WWI by, as far as I know, every historian who spezialises in this. July 28 - Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia and immediately started bombarding Belgrade (first acts of war).
You can easily find that if you know what a search engine is.

As you probably know, Austria-Hungary gave Serbia a petition with ten demands (historians today say 'unacceptable demands') and an ultimatum.
When Serbia failed to accept all of the demands, Austria-Hungary declared war on 28 July.
https://www.bl.uk/world-war-one/articles/origins-and-outbreak

Interesting point regarding German emperor William:
William learned on July 28 how Serbia had replied to the ultimatum. At once he instructed the German Foreign Office to tell Austria-Hungary that there was no longer any justification for war and that it should content itself with a temporary occupation of Belgrade.
https://www.britannica.com/event/World-War-I

Here's some more help, all from your link (which doesn't really support your point btw, but shows that the whole thing is a lot more complicated than what you claimed).).
[...] military historian Sir Max Hastings says that while no one nation deserves the blame alone, Germany is more guilty than most [...].

Sir Richard J Evans, Regius professor of history at the University of Cambridge disagrees, arguing that Serbian nationalism and expansionism were the root cause of the conflict. "Serbia bore the greatest responsibility for the outbreak of WW1," Evans says, "and Serbian backing for the Black Hand terrorists was extraordinarily irresponsible.

Other leading scholars believe the blame should be shared equally between all the main players: Austria-Hungary, Germany, Serbia, Russia, France, the Ottoman empire and Britain.
http://www.theweek.co.uk/59782/how-did-the-first-world-war-start

Dr Heather Jones - prof in international history, LSE
Austria-Hungary, Germany and Russia
A handful of bellicose political and military decision-makers in Austria-Hungary, Germany and Russia caused WW1.
John Rohl - emer. professor of history, Susse
Austria-Hungary and Germany
Gerhard Hirschfeld - professor of modern and contemporaray history, Stuttgart
Austria-Hungary, Germany, Russia, France, Britain and Serbia
Sean McMeekin - professor of history, Istanbul
Austria-Hungary, Germany, Russia, France, Britain and Serbia
and so on.
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26048324

Can any individual be blamed for the First World War?
The Guardian identifies six people who, from a British perspective, had the largest roles in the events leading to the outbreak of war:
Kaiser Wilhelm II, the "hot-tempered, military-minded ruler of German empire and kingdom of Prussia" who was "increasingly suspicious of motives" in Britain, France and Russia
David Lloyd George, the British Chancellor of the Exchequer, who "against his earlier inclinations" ultimately became a leading proponent of military action against Germany
Tsar Nicholas II of Russia, who found himself caught between Russia's loyalty to Serbia, and his desire to avoid war on the continent
Archduke Franz Ferdinand, who was "keen to strengthen Austrian army" but wanted not to antagonise Serbia
Herbert Asquith, the British Prime Minister who led the nation into war, to be replaced by Lloyd George in December 1916
Edward Grey, the foreign secretary who "was ineffective in his attempts to warn Germany against threatening Belgium's neutrality in 1914".
http://www.theweek.co.uk/59782/how-did-the-first-world-war-start

To make it simple, in case you're not much of a reader.
'Germany started WWI' is simply false.
I didn't say that Germany was innocent. If I did, quote me!!

 

France marched already towards the German border. Germany counter acted by going through Belgum, so they diverted the attention and were able to fall the french in the back.

France did send troops into Germany 4 times just 90 years before that. Under Napoleon suffered Germany extremly, as his troops marched through Germany.

As long you dont find a way how the German leadership could have be sure to avoid the same situation like it was from earlier french agressions, your arguments are invalid.

What you do with NK is your problem, not ours.

Where our leadership is to blame for is that they followed this overly complex treaty diplomatics. Germany should have stayed neutral. But once France declared war on us, it was too late.

Your hate against Germany aside, do you honestly say that Germany started WW I when evrything speaks against this?

We should stay fair.

 

This will not happen. And if it had happened, it would have been a mid-age shithole like any muslim state anyway.

 

I could give you a picture of a "protected innocent human being" after the abortion. So let me say: It exists no feeling for justice in governments - also not in democracies. The feeling for grace and justice has a lot to do with the rebound of people in god and their intellectual, spiritual, emotional and social capacities. Human beings need truth, love and education. In case of democracy there's more influence for all forms of thoughts. Nevertheless I would say governments exist because helpless idiots try to help each other, so they are not helpless idiots any longer on their own and they prefer to follow the plans of masters of idiocy.

 

What a pathetic bullshit. Do you think the National Peoples Army of the GDR had had the duty to protect this state? For sure not. And that's exactly what had happened: No one defended this bankrupt state. Now you are born in the federal republic of Germany and you are an enemy of our state on reason of Nazism. Should we arrests you to protect our citizens from your weird ideas and because terror is the basics of the politics of the Nazis? Sure we should - but twice your beloved country Thuringia lost the own roots. First under Hitler - later under Stalin and the Commies. That's - besides the history of your own family - why you are weird and that's a reason for the patience of your fellow citizens. But your weirdness - whether you are on your own responsible for or not - is indeed a big danger for you to make wrong decisions. And this decision could destroy you life. I'm very sure you can see everywhere in your life all around the destructions of your own Nazism. Open your eyes.

 

We had to use the nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki because this saved the life of millions of Americans.