Germany plans to legalise recreational cannabis

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    Looks like Germany may have legal marijuana by 2024. Still needs to be approved by their parliament per the article. Pretty soon marijuana will be just as acceptable legally as alcohol in the Western world. If Germany and the US go legal, expect a lot of other European countries to follow.

     
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    one of the few things i agree with progressives on. if alchohol is legal, so should weed be legal.
     
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    Why?
     
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    why not? I do not consider weed to be on the same level as heroine or cocaine or the like. It's a low level drug much like alchohol.
     
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    A lot of it is cultural. In the West its common to make the reference "Drugs and Alcohol". Alcohol is a drug, its not separate in any way. Alcohol if abused is highly physically addictive, and costs society in many negative ways. I have an addictive personality and have been in legal troubles more than I would like to admit. I have done much more damage under the influence of alcohol than I ever did under the influence of marijuana.

    Luckily I am not physically addicted to alcohol, but have seen numerous people who were. Im talking about drinking all day and showing negative physical attributes if they dont have it always coursing through their veins and having minor shakes until they get that first beer. Attaching a recent article on the dangers of these people just stopping and the danger of that.

    I am not for banning alcohol at this point and time, although have seen some pretty addicts.
     
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    Marijuana causes psychosis among other things. In fact it causes psychosis at a higher rate than any other drug. It is not the same as alcohol.

    That being said, alcohol is bad. Two wrongs don't make a right. Marijuana is terrible for people. There is no benefit, unless you are terminally ill maybe.
     
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    Not sure of the study you are referring to but being long term addicted to any drug will have negative effects physically and mentally. Not sure that marijuana causes a higher rate of psychosis than stimulants like cocaine, PCP or amphetamines. PCP is taken to literally cause psychosis. Alcohol can also cause psychosis.

     
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    Google it. NCBI etc.
     
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    https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/cannabis-induced-psychosis-review
    Directly from psychiatric times.

    Follow the science right?
     
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    If you read that study those ailments are almost exclusively limited to youth consumption when the brain hasn’t fully formed.

    I don’t think one would argue they kids should be smoking — most recommend a legal age limit around 21 to 25
     
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    Checked out that link conclusion and the NCBI conclusion. Mostly arguing your statement that marijuana causes a higher rate of psychosis than any other drug which the studies do not conclude, only the common knowledge that long term use of marijuana can cause psychosis. All of the drugs linked I posted in #7 can cause psychosis if abused or have the effect of instant psychosis if taken. I agree they can all have lasting mental impacts including marijuana which is a hallucinogen. Alcohol is also in that category per science.

     
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    Once again. Alcohol is bad. Prohibition happened for a reason. Marijuana is even worse. Two wrongs don't make a right.
     
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    I agree, but the whole premise is that is jail/prison/fines ect a working solution to the problem. Plenty of Countries have a total ban on all drugs including alcohol, is that a better solution to the problem. They defiantly have lower drug abuse rates and crime related to drugs. But if we are going to allow drug use like we do with alcohol, is it better to ban it or deal with the problem clinically and only criminally if that drug use causes material or physical damage to others? I'm not for banning alcohol, we know from the past that the consequences of that criminally and socially are probably worse than regulating and dealing with the problems it causes only if it damages people or property.
     
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    So are 24 oz. cups, filled with sugary sodas, terrible for our bodies and, drunken habitually, likely to lead to health problems, from obesity, to type 2 diabetes. The principle, here, is does government have the authority to make those decisions, as to what a person can ingest, smoke, or otherwise put into their own body, or should that be each of our own decisions, a matter of personal responsibility? So it is erroneous of you, to look at each substance, as unconnected to the others. Hypocritical inconsistency, in the law, hugely contributes to people's loss of respect for law, writ large. How many millions, of generally law abiding citizens, were willing to disregard the law, and saw it as something arbitrary, unfair, and invalid, when it came to marijuana prohibition?

    Drugs will always be around. The best defense is in developing an inclusive & supportive society, which is well educated, about drugs, from an early age.
     
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    I'd initially misread your title...
    I don't suppose you'd know, whether there's been any talk of legalizing recreational cannibalism?
     
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    This is where the good ole us of a is headed.


     
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    Headed?! we are already there. The US is the number one consumer of drugs worldwide.
    You do know we have a pretty bad opioid crisis right now with the current our current society and laws against them right? Probably just behind Afghanistan in terms of scale.

    As I asked earlier, is it better to have no drug policies like most Muslim countries. I believe that is how Afghanistan will fix that problem under the Taliban, Im sure it will cut back on their problem.
     
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    ~ We shall go out in a blue cloud of cannabis smoke and Co2 intoxication ... :wink:
    ~ Very unlikely as the dumbing-down of society continues. We can't even tell the difference between a male and a female. No wonder everyone wants to leave sobriety ...
    ~ In the future Cannibalism will replace Veganism. We already are running out of room for more cemeteries.
    :knifefork: :drool: "Corpse for Life" :w00t:
     
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    As a matter of principle, I think it's wrong for our government to outlaw any drug, even if I disagree with people taking the stuff. It seems to me like a natural right that government has no right to take away. If they can outlaw a narcotic, then why not beef, for instance? It's just something that people consume and a personal choice on their part. Most of the societal harm from narcotics actually seems to stem from personal irresponsibility on the user's part and the fact that it is criminalized, which drives dealers and addicts to commit other crimes in relation to dealing and obtaining the stuff.
     
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    I have family members in Canada. One had recently gotten over rectal cancer. He uses weed as a pain killer and I would much prefer him on that cheap and easily aquired and available drug then to get addicted to legal and highly addictive and expensive pain killers...I've also been told that you can get THC? some version of the drug without the impairing effects that can act as a natural relaxant or sleep aid.

    As a recreational drug, marijuana users are generally much more relaxed and mellow then those drunk on alchohol.

    That's just a general observation going through life, but I wouldn't be surprised if a study were done to prove this point.

    Personally? I'm a gym rat health nut. I eat healthy and rarely drink. When I do, it's whiskey/scotch and I very rarily drink with the intent to get drunk. I dislike the smell of weed personally and do not like the sensation of being high.

    Basically from what I'm told by friends and family in Canada where it is now legal...it's not a big deal and offers a cheap alternative to expensive medicines.

    I'm all about that because **** big pharma. People deserve options, especially cheap ones in dealing with their personal situations and I see no harm in marijuana compared to any other perscribed medicine or to any other recreational drug.
     
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    When they say cannabis in Germany, they usually mean hashish, - but...same diff. Same is true all over Europe.

    Yes, it causes psychoses, and in some cases it triggers permanent mental illness.

    Legalizing cannabalis :p
     
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    I have no experience with any drug apart from alcohol. I also don't drink excessively, but rather go for something I like the taste of once in a while and which might give me a nice little buzz.

    As for big pharma, yeah, that's an issue because they do get people hooked on drugs as a "solution" to problems that often could be better treated by healthier habits, but I suppose it's just hard if not impossible for medical professionals to get people to change those habits. The patient is ultimately in control of how they choose to live and treat their personal ailments, and too many people are prone to chemical addictions. It's sadly a part of how we're biologically wired.
     
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    Just to clear up any possible misconception, marijuana is not very effective as a pain killer. It can help with nausea, and helps a person get his mind off of, focusing on discomfort. But if one is truly in pain, pot is no substitute for true analgesics, of which, narcotics are the most effective. For most people, the duration of their need is short enough, that the likelihood of addiction developing, is rather low. It is up to the doctor, and the common sense of the patient, not to take more than is needed, and not to continue using it, beyond the point when it is truly required. In a way, this is comparable to the responsibility of the alcohol drinker, and his bartender, to know when, to say, "when."

    I had a dislocated hip, when I was younger, which had been excruciatingly painful (after I had been hit by a pizza delivery truck, while driving my small motorcycle). The ball of the bone had been mashing against the nerve bundle, which spreads out, below the hip, to cover the entire leg. So there was nerve damage, residual pain, and a fairly long recovery time. Though doctors thought, initially, I might not walk normally, ever again, I threw myself into my rehab, including eventually jogging, until I overcame any real impediment, to my leg's functionality.

    Nevertheless, this all took a year's time, including a good month of being bedridden, and then only getting around on crutches. In the hospital, as the pain regularly returned, I was given the sweet relief, of an intramuscular injection of Demerol (heaven). But when I went home, the doctor switched me to Tylox. Compared to the Demerol, it was garbage, but it helped get me through. Eventually, the doctor geared that pain killer down to Tylenol #3 (with codeine). Compared to what I'd been using, this was crap-- and the Tylox, which I'd initially found so disappointing, I dreamed of having, once more. Eventually, of course, I was weaned from this last, weakest pain med, as well. Because I had been stepped down, each transition, while not "pleasant," was certainly manageable. We now have even milder narcotics, like Tramadol, in order to insure relief that is more targeted, to just the degree of a person's pain. So, while the possibility of addiction need always be kept in mind, the idea that this is the likely result, of responsible usage of narcotics, is a misplaced fear.
     
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    ~ This is the reason that I voted for legalization of cannabis in California.
     

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