Germany rejects commitment to spend 2 % of GDP on defense

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  1. Strasser

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    I don't recall doubting Germany does indeed spend so little, so obviously you have a reading comprehension problem; your few hundred million ******marks are a drop in the bucket, no matter how much you wish otherwise. Your own numbers just prove how little you contribute to your own defense, much less Europe's. The rest of your post is just dissembling rubbish and silly projection, so ramble on; nothing but whining and laughable points that warrant no response from anybody actually informed.
     
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    You said Germany, one of the technological most advanced nations in the world, could not build a primitive weapon like a nuclear bomb. Newsflash for you, eben a hydrogenmor neutron bomb could be build here within hours.

    Well we obvious played well. We are richest nation under the sun, rule europe as hegemon and im 24 and have a higher income than you and can afford vacation in seychelles, chile and madagascar...and im just an apprentice. You obviously ****ed up bad.
     
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    lol hilarious rubbish. You Euro stoners can sure dream.
     
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    How fat are you? Just out of interest? Above 100kg and bfa above 20% i guess?
     
  5. Caligula

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    I haven't provided any numbers regarding Germany's military budget in any of my comments, and that's just one of the things you got completely wrong (reading comprehension, yeah, right).
    As to the rest of your gibberish which has nothing to do with what I said .....
     
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  6. NullSpot the Destroyter

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    Priceless. You should charge admission.
     
  7. xAWACr

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    Maybe, but we understood perfectly well what your own head of state said.
     
  8. xAWACr

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    Thank you so much for entering this debate. You have done far more than I ever could to convince my countrymen to get the Hell out of NATO as soon as possible. Keep it up, you're doing a fantastic job!!
     
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    So did I. I'm sure as of January this year, you do realize what politicians say and what they do are two different things.
     
  10. Sobo

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    Where you ever in Cuba, Chile, Madagascar, egypt, seychelles, mauritius and did have a mercedes when you were 24? ( i assume you are some old dude). Im 24 and can afford this. And im an apprentice. Your country has rotten infrastructure, extreme crime, no social system and extreme poverty. Im a nationalist comrade. I deeply love my nation. I could not accept if my nation would be run down like yours.
     
  11. xAWACr

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    Indeed. Bear this in mind if you ever consider invoking Article 5 yourselves.
     
  12. Blücher

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    We have elections in September and Siggi, a man who talks too much and thinks afterwards, just want to get some acceptance from left wing voters who are anti military, anti NATO and anti american. Since military expenses are highly unpopular in Germany thanks to the american driven reeducation and the memories of two fatal WWs the voter will not appreciate higher spendings. Nevertheless the Merkel government raised the military budget in 2017 by 8% and announced to raise it furthermore.

    The 2% are a agreed as an aim that should be reached but not as a must and it's not a german-american problem since only 5 NATO members spend the 2% and i heard no announcements of other NATO members about raising their budgets.

    The EU members have over 1 million soldiers and a military budget over 200 billion €, without UK.No one is helped by spending stupid money for useless stuff, but spending the right amount in clever ways and then the 2% will not be the question. The US administrations in the past didn't show interest in strong but more independent european military initiatives.
     
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    History and the truth may not be your strong suit, but at least you're loyal to the Fatherland.
     
  14. Sobo

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    The truth? I never said something wrong amigo.

    Me in Cuba:

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    Notice the flag behind me?

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    Havannah.

    I visited Egypt, Cuba, Madagascar, Mauritius, Seychelles, La Reunion, Chile. This year Peru and Bolivia in October and next year New Caledonia.

    I doubt you could afford that in my age. :)

    Its also a fact your country is run down. The infratstructure of USA is run down. You also have such extreme poverty that you house homeless in tent cities:

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    Your crime rates are extreme on evry aspects. You have more gun deaths each year than Afghanistan in its war times. Come back when you rose above a failed state.

    I´m German. I have certain demands regarding stability. And i assure you your countrey doesnt match what i expect from a developed nation.

    Do you have high speed rail? Why resemble many of your cities 3rd world shitholes?
     
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    This was you just yesterday:
    Historians say we had the nuke. Even a basic test was performed. Its also said the hiroshima bomb was most likely developed and build in Germany and you just got it. It was a fundamental different design to your Trinity bomb. A design you had not tested nor intended before.​
    Man, I've never encountered someone who lies like you do.
     
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    Its no lie. The first test was perfomed in Ohrdruf. Witness saw a massive light in the night sky. The area is sealed off even today and they detected isotopes there.

    The uranium used in the Hiroshima bomb came from Germany. Sachsen Anhalt.

    Richard Rhodes (1996), Dark Sun: The making of the Hydrogen Bomb, Touchstone, Seiten 160 und 161.

    What do you learn in school? clapping and dancing?
     
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    <sigh> More lies. Nowhere in Rhodes's book does it mention Ohrdruf or Sachsen Anhalt.

    It's particularly reprehensible that you would include Ohrdruf, where a subcamp of the Buchenwald concentration camp was located, in your dishonesty.
     
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    I give a **** about that. The Wiki article dass ist clear and so does the book.

    You were the Idiot who Said Germany could not build a nuclear weapon. We are a technological power unmatched in most fields of science. Beside that what die you suggest? How should wenn spend 2% of our gdp? How invest it?
     
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    You've lied continually, even now you keep it up without providing any evidence to back up your contentions. I'm sure Germany needs more police just like you.
     
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    I do not lie. I posted the link where it says it. To lie means to say something willingly wrong.

    You do lie, and all this because you want insult my nation.

    You want my country spend 2% of its gdp. How so? In what areas should it be spend? And in what direction?
     
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    Last attempt and then I'm giving up on you. If what you said is true about Germany exploding a nuke, there should be proof online you can link to. If you don't, it'll be obvious that your word means nothing.
     
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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ste-Hitlers-secret-A-bomb-programme-mine.html

    The Device detonated in ohrdruf was a 2 ton cylinder with explosives and several kg uranium. There was not enough uranium because in march 1945 supply stopped to sustain constant fission. The blast toppled all trees in a 600 m radius. Several hundred test persons from the camp were killed by the blast wave.

    http://the-wanderling.com/atomic_bomb.html

    Now back to topic. You want my country spend 2% of its gdp. How so? In what areas should it be spend? And in what direction?
     
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    So first you dishonestly cited Richard Rhodes, and now you resort to some nut on the internet and the Daily Mail? Pathetic.

    I can't debate someone who is so dishonest. I'm moving on.
     
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    Rhodes is stated in the german wiki article you moron. You want that i give you a german article?

    I took the first two links i got on google. Now go and jump out a skyscraper or what else your people do as hobby.

    It appears none of the idiots here have a clue how Germany should raise its Budget. How spend it? In what branches?
     
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    Here's some ideas for you from your own Ministry of Propaganda

    "One year ago, he described how the Saxony-based 371st tank battalion, prior to taking on its role as "spearhead" of the NATO Response Force, had to borrow 15,000 pieces of equipment from 56 other German military units. In another example, the 345th artillery training battalion, based just west of Frankfurt, was officially supposed to have 24 armored artillery vehicles at its disposal. In reality, though, it had just seven, of which six were on standby for NATO and could not be used. And the seventh was in reserve for the six on standby"

    "A mountain infantry unit had only 96 pairs of night-vision goggles available instead of the 522 it had been allotted -- of which 76 had to be loaned out to other units. Which meant they only had 20, of which 17 were damaged."

    "The number of Leopard 2 battle tanks at the Bundeswehr's disposal likewise plunged during that same time period, from 2,000 to 225"

    http://www.spiegel.de/international...es-political-debate-in-germany-a-1136140.html

    Or this might help also:

    http://www.spiegel.de/international...resents-opportunity-for-europe-a-1135172.html
     

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