Germany's Refusal To Spend 2% On Defense

https://thefederalist.com/2019/03/29/germanys-refusal-fund-2-percent-defense-not-action-ally/

Making those in Washington question if NATO is worth it?
Germany throws tantrums whenever Washington ask this question. Germany are all up for international peace, if America pay for it.

 

The Federalist, boy o boy.
Germanies defense budget for 2019 is rising by more than 11%, did you know that ?

Did you know, probably not, that the US spends less than 1% of GDP, with gigantic defense budget, on Nato ?

 

That's bullshit. Try almost 4% whilst the Krauts leech off our teets.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallm...-members-visualized-infographic/#294ed67b14cf

 

And only 5% of that budget goes to NATO matters, a little bit over 30 billion Gringo Pesos

 

^^^^^^ It's this kind of uninformed, ungrateful BS is why the U.S. should get out of NATO and let you pansies handle your own problems. Then you would figure out who's been paying for your free goodies like healthcare for the last half century.

 

This is exactly the uneducated BS to be expected.
Free goodies ?

 

I'm just about ready to let the Russians take Germany if they want it.

 

Let them, they are not stupid enough to kill the cow, which gives them the milk.

If needed Germany will buy Russia, as it bought the UK and make a nice profit.

 

As if Putin is going to parade his tanks through Warshaw, Berlin and then Paris next week, only 'mericans are silly enought to believe that. I've read comments on this forum by our yank friends claiming that Putin is about to invade Italy soon. Yeah, right.
The claim was that the US spends less than 1% of its budget on Nato (no source was provide though) and the reply is "we spend almost 4%". Yes, but those "almost 4%" is Washington's complete military budget. Two different things, reading is too complicated it seems. Nobody has ever forced the US to spend 3,6% of its GDP (685,957 dollars in 2017) on its military. Some people in Washington are apparantly insane enough to consider this a must. They rage criminal wars that cost trillions and wonder that others are not as nuts as they are. In the past I asked our self proclaimed wannabe yank experts here how much in total numbers the US spends on other countries' defence (i.e. how much yank money goes into Italy's defence, Germany's defence, Norway's defence, France's defence, Denmark's defence, etc.) and not one was able to provide any clear numbers. All they had was "we pay for their defence" and "they only have their free-everything societies because they don't spend what they should, instead we pay for everything, blah blah." The US pays for Europe's healthcare and other goodies? One cannot make this idiocy up. Looking at and comparing budgets would tell them how wrong this is, but it contradicts their narrative, so it can't be true.
It seems they don't want a reasonable debate, instead they prefer their pissing contests filled with half truths, lies and ridiculous simplifictions.
@OP, yes, Germany doesn't spend 2% of its GDP on its military budget and according to NATO agreements, it should increase its budget in the next couple of years. "All for international peace if America pays for it", nope, there are currently twelve international missions involving German troops. I think paying attention to facts is never a bad thing.

 

It doesnt seem like they even want us around. We should bring our **** home and leave them be.

 

11% of what....? Anyway Germany has a truck load of issues with its rather dilapidated equipment so I'm guessing that the 11% increase is the budget for the purchase of gaffer tape and WD40 to get some of it in a state that it can be schlepped to the recycling bins.....

 

Bullshit!!!

Fact 1:
When must the 2% be fulfilled? From 2024! Do we already have 2024, eh?

Fact 2:
The defense budget has been increased to 1.4% ... of course no 2%, but see fact 1!

Fact 3:
In the case of the German armed forces, it is rather a problem of management of politics and administration which stinks and causes problems ... in short, tax money is wasted and not spent where it has to be.

Fact 3:
Although more money is certainly appropriate, I oppose any form of tax wastage on the issue by 2%! If the need for 2% or more is actually there, I'm the last one who does not want to invest it!
If the need is not there in the armed forces, it is absolute nonsense, but still spend 2% and thus tax money, just so that the 2% are met!

Fact 4:
Basis iis the GDP for the 2% and thus say the 2% absolutely nothing, whether enough or too little paid into the defense. If the billions remain constant, but GDP goes down, then you have suddenly spent more in% ... and vice versa less when the GDP goes down.
Thus it comes that Greece meets more the 2%, because their GDP is terribly bad as we all know!

Fact 5:
It's an outrage to say that we rely on the US and let it pay. On the contrary, what are the US doing for NATO, eh?
The answer is "virtually nothing except nuclear deterrence"!
And just because the US thinks it has wetlwide interests and gets involved with the military all over the world and that costs a lot of money, we do not have to do that for a long time! What counts for us is the national defense and NATO ... nothing else except a few ridiculous UN missions!

Any questions or stupid comments and accusations without having to deal with the facts beforehand?

 

You're just biased to justify Germany's refusal to up its spending to 2% of GDP and belittle what Nuclear Weapons actually do for world peace.
Ungrateful and uneducated.

2019 is before 2024, so why refuse to spend more you American hating Euro Trash.

With friends like Germany, who needs enemies?

 

You rude guy, who has no idea and can not refute the facts ...

What should we be grateful for? Sorry, I can not think of anything we would have to be thankful for ... especially not since this insane psycho ruled the White House!

And why should we fulfill something before the agreed duty? Just because you impudent Americans want that ... so you can spend even more money on an idiotic wall to Mexico?

And if you do not want to come up with your military budget, then I have to laugh at you. If you want to waste your tax dollars so drastically, then do it! Only ... it does NOT because we do not yet meet the 2% that we have to fill in just over 4 years ... and you do it NOT because you defend the evil brazen Germans who are so evil, actually you times just say no! No ... you are wasting your money on your interests that we do not care about and that have nothing to do with Europe or NATO!

If it were up to me, you get 6 months from Germany to disappear in response to your impudence!



P.S.
And the best thing is ... if we meet the 2% immediately, or even spend 4 or r5%, massively upgrade and all these things ... then we are again the bad Germans and then comes the comparison to the rearmament of Hitler as an argument and proof we are evil!

Sorry ... the times when you have something to say or to tell us are over!

 

Ah, the American hawks are out. I would be more concerned if they were actually informed rather than simply spewing forth Heiferdust of the worst kind but given that the US doesn't like educated folk I guess I shouldn't be too surprised.

 

The user you are talking to is apparently from Britain, not 'merica, which makes the whole thing even weirder.
If criticising Washington's policies is "america hating" and "anti-americanism" (what a meaningless knee-jerk reaction), what then is insulting Europeans and calling them trash? Certainly not criticism.

 

You know I'm British right and I'm about to Brexit your A' and my country already meets its NATO spending requirements.

You should be grateful to the United Kingdom for pumping up the DM so you can even have Euros.
You should be grateful to the United States for that peace you like so much.

 

Indeed ....
And the funny thing is, if you look at the gigantic US military budget, then it gets really ridiculous!
The US spent nearly US $ 603 billion in the military in 2018 ... that's 62% of total world military spending!
And if you are so evil and look on the details of the US budget, then the ridiculousness will be even greater ... because of the 603 billion just about 20 - 25 billion for the US armed forces and tasks that have to do anything with NATO!

What then serve the remaining about 580 billion?

 

I remembered that he is not American ... that is why I edited to rude guy instead rude American as before...
But from the behavior of him it is like he is American and Trumponians ... what makes it indeed strange for a Brit. Maybe I can't understnad Britsh humor anymore?

 

I'm me, I'm not here for your cliché ideas of what a good European should be, instead, I'm being grateful for freedom and understanding how much the UK has spent in the EU getting yet more rudeness from Europe.
The UK leaves without a deal, then you in Germany can say you're paying for the EU, but don't pretend the UK isn't a contributor.

Trump was right doesn't mean he's an idiot, it means the EU can't do what it wants all the time without people championing bilateral trade deals skeptical of undemocratic blocs.

 

Hell ... Make your Brexit how you want ... but stop to blame the EU out of your lacking knowledge about the EU and so lack of facts! I will cheer the date when you are out ... one ungrateful impudent lesser!
But woe your country goes to the knees after Brexti and you accuse the EU for it ...

The UK pumped up the DM? When again? Lol .... tell me which fairy tale you was taught in school about?
The one who implemented the DM was the US and UK and France agreed only! But that the DM became a success is our own success, not something for what we must thankful to you...

And the peace? Which peace? The by the US started mess in Vietnam, Iraq, Lybia, Syria ... the impuden wildcard support to Israel which is the cause of Islamic terror at least?
Or that they protected us with their nuclear arms, for what we Germans would have played the Ground Zero of total nuclear destruction done and shot by the US on West Germany?

Is there some bitterness up there again, that you're rid of your empire, the Commonwealth is a joke, and the evil Germans are more successful than you ... who once, together with the US, defeated the evil Germans 70 years ago?

Lol ... a round of pity for the British person here please ...!

 

And again a proof that you have no idea about the EU with this nonsense of accuse of being undemocratic. Who decides if trade agreements have to be done in the EU and who signs the result of negotiations again? Please tell me ... or will come a lousy answer that you give a damn on it, because you don't know, but EU is evil?

Bilateral trade agreement are not allowed wehn having a common EU market and this is good so ... but annoys you due to Ireland issue, eh? .... Lol, no pity here, but gloating, because you have not considered everything at Brexit because of your ignorance and your stupidity! And why should the EU change that rule ... because you British want it? Ridiculous!

 

You're waffling on.

You may not see a friend in the United States, but the UK does, and that's all that matters.

Remember, the country that pumped up the DM and paid for the EU. That was all London.

 

Speaking about the EU and not Germany, why are Far Right protesters as we speak clashing with Catalan Independence protestors in Catalan?
Why is it when Scotland vote, they vote to stay, but when Catalan vote, they vote to leave.

More importantly, why haven't Spain let Catalan go yet?

Spain, Greece, Italy, Ireland, the EU's a mess.

 

Lol .... and more lies! Londo did nothing for the DM ... zero! And he EU, we Germans always pay the most!
But who does that tell ... someone who has no idea about the Thatcher deal and believes the BS on the red Brexit bus as the truth!

And have fun negotiating with the US ... is more of a beggar for you, because you have no bargaining power!

Because the Catalans behaved illegally ... let the Scots do the same without consultation or permission from London, and you scold the Scots.
And if the Scots vote again for the whereabouts is doubtful ... but you do not allow a 2nd vote, because you realize how it ends!