Germany's Refusal To Spend 2% On Defense

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  1. gnoib

    gnoib Well-Known Member

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    Your posts are just to funny.
     
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    Fact # 01
    According to the Wales Agreement in 2014, all NATO members should invest 2% of GDP as a deadline by 2024.
    We currently have the year 2019 and so there is NO OBLIGATION TO DO NOW ... and certainly not because some idiots, like the one in the White House want it!

    Fact # 02
    Germany has increased its military spending from $ 35 billion in 2014 to currently $ 49.5 billion in 2018. That's an increase of 40% ...
    If our GDP had not increased at the same time, we would now invest around 3%!

    Fact # 03
    Germany came in 8th in 2018, with $ 49.5 billion = 1.3% of GDP.
    If we were to invest 2% while maintaining GDP, that would be around 80 billion USD and we would be in 3rd place, only China and the US would invest more ... well ahead of the allegedly evil Russia', which is why we are investing 2% should!

    Funny ... we are again the evil Krauts because we do not invest 2% ... and we will immediately be the evil Krauts too, if we meet the 2% ... along with the usual crappy reference to the Nazis and the military Upgrading from Hitler. No matter what we do, we are evil, eh?
    Sorry, but we do not acceot this anymore ... especially not from hypocritical liars and ignoramuses!

    Fact # 04
    This year, the budget is to be increased from 1.3% to 1.5%, simply because we have a need for modernization.
    So we do something ... doing since 2014 ... and we do exactly what we are obliged to do.

    Fact # 05
    2% would also be an incredible waste of taxpayers' money, which is completely unacceptable.
    Of course, enough money for the armed forces to be available ... without any question ... but what if there is no need?
    We currently have 244 Leopard 2 tanks, it should be 328 by 2023 total. We do not need anything more, simply because we do not have any staff for it, and many are already stored there because there are no users. Should we buy 1,000 Leopard 2 and store it in depots? Why? Just to meet the 2% and waste taxpayer money on tanks that nobody needs?
    Sorry ... simply rejected!


    And who does not like these facts now, because they disagree with the mental rubbish that Trump and others are spreading, sorry, that's unfortunate!
    We Germans do not let anyone blackmail us, and certainly not from any runaway, dumbfounded president from Washington or from any Brexit clowns who just like to ammunition against the EU and Germany, because their Brexit arguments are all nonsense!
     
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    P.S.

    Fact # 06
    There is also a common NATO budget that, for example, covers the cost of the HQ in Brussels, or the small fleet of 16 Type E-3A AWACS aircraft that directly belong to NATO and not to any Air Force.
    This NATO budget of about $ 2.3 billion has nothing to do but nothing to do with the 2%, but is also a criticism of Trump. The US accounts for the majority of this household, accounting for around 22%, followed by Germany in second place with just under 15%.

    But again, the lie of Trump is present, because the US also have privileges because of this main share of the costs, such as that the CinC of NATO is always a US 4 star general, never anyone else.

    But OK ... let's say Germany pays 30% of the budget in future ... is the new CinC a German 4 star general, OK?
    Or this outdated AWACS fleet ... something against if the budget will buy new AWACS based on an Airbus?

    Anyone who objects here is just an ignorant hypocrite!
     
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    The clowns are in the EU. You know that right.

    What's so bad about USA?
    Only EU has a problem with Donald Trump because the EU is like a bloc of countries and the US believes in sovereign nations over silly wannabe superstates.
    Germany should pay up now before the deadline runs out.

    What happens in 2024 if Germany doesn't spend 2%?
    Time to think twice about defending free loading ingrates.

    Brexit clowns too now?

    Sit down clown in Germany who won't pay the fair share or respect Donald Trump or Brexit. It's called Democracy.

    You're as funny as the SNP in Scotland who think 18% is 80% despite 80% of Scots not supporting a 2nd referendum for Scotland, the SNP are clowns too when they call for one.
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1...Scotland-independence-UK-EU-withdrawal-latest
     
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    One has to be a morron to respect the Idiot in Chief.

    And the UK needs to grow some balls and just leave the EU.
     
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    Germany should pay up.
    SNP should want the best of both worlds; Independence from the EU.

    But to respect the EU is to respect something hostile to national sovereignty and indeed democracy.
     
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    5 years to go, per agreement.

    Th Uk decided to leave the EU on March 29. Come on pay up, get the hell out of the EU, delay, delay empty promises.
    The Uk does not have the balls and shows that it is a weak disorganized 3rd world country.
    A child which can not leave parents home and face the real world.
    It moved in with its parents, because the real world sucked. Now it is afraid to move out. Despite its boisterous claims.

    Please do it.
    Go away.
     
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    Lol ... but of course, because the EU is already awkward for you, simply because it exists. Except that the topic here has nothing to do with the EU because of the 2%!

    Trump, not USA ... but USA as far as since 2 years now!

    Sure ... and Mexico, Canada, Russia, Cuhina, Japan, India ... shall I go furtherwith the list?

    Lol ... You know what will be in 5 years? Great, tell me, what will happen all in 2024 in the world!

    Yes, as always, because they were, are and will be always clowns!

    We do pay, but you as thisidiot in White House is too stubborn to see and accept or is too stupid ... whatever it is, I will not rate. We have 2019 and we fullfill our obligation!

    Well ... and why this fear for a second referendum from your side? Because you know that too many Brits are awaken and got it that they were fooled by the Brexit trolls and clowns once!
     
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    What if Trump was the first American American President?
    He's been called that.
    You don't like USA, because you're German and think the world owes you something.
    You don't like Brexit because it clashes with your world view.

    For a country that doesn't pay 2% to Nato or believe in itself outside of the EU, what can you say? We're Stupid? No, you can say 'sorry' coupled with 'right away sir/madame'.

    How can somebody respect a nation so stupid as to invest into the EU parliament of clowns and an economic zone within the EU nuttier than a jar of Nutella?
     
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    Huh? and so what? No idea what you mean!

    Called what?

    Wrong ... I don't like Trump or is hate against Trump = hate against the USA suddenly? And that I am German has nothing to do with it!

    Wrong, I don't like Brexit because it is based on lies, impudence and lack of any knowledge and facts. But this would be no matter at least, if the Brits were able to do a proper job with it and not this mess as they do!

    Lol ... you mix again and again different issues. Now we do not spend 2% into NATO? Ehm ... the military budget of each member state is the topic to the 2% and this is not NATO ... NATO budget is something else and here we pay after the USA with 22%, as number 2 with 15% much more as you in the UK for!

    And sorry ... we have no global imilitary nterests or any other rediculous interests like you with your former colonies ... our first military mission is defence or our country and the allienace called NATO. Anfter this come some UN missions like anti-pirat war at Somalia or war against terrorists in Mali together with the French.

    With your reproach for the 2% ... you have received a crushing defeat thanks to the facts!
    You have received a crushing defeat because of your participation in the NATO budget!
    You have received a crushing defeat with the facts at Brexit!
    You have received a crushing defeat of knowledge about the EU!
    How many defeats do you want to get? But I know ... you see it all differently!

    Counter-Question:
    How can someone respect a nation that deliberately lied and fooled by its own politicians about leaving the EU...

    - unable to negotiate a reasonable Brexit deal
    - believes in bullcrap of the lost Empire and Commonewealth will replace EU
    - which believes in fairy tales about WTO rules and what this means and what impacts it has for the UK,
    - that is not even able to win a majority in its parliament for anything to get something at Brexit decided,
    - who can only say what they do not want, but can not say what they want
    - who have no idea about the EU in general

    .... eh?
     

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