Get the IRS and the federal government off our backs

Discussion in 'Budget & Taxes' started by NoNip, Jun 5, 2013.

  1. NoNip

    NoNip New Member

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    Get the IRS and the federal government off our backs by getting rid of the individual federal income tax.

    The best solution is to create laws that would require our federal government to collect its operating revenue directly and only from state governments. The law should severely punish anyone committing the serious felony of trying to collect this income in any other way, from any other sources, direct or indirect. The non-pardonable punishment for these crimes should be at a minimum of years in prison and large, multi -thousand dollar fines.

    Individual income taxes would only be allowed at the state level. Tax competition between states would keep taxes simple and low.

    This solution is supported by how our federal government used to get part of its revenue. A criticism is that in the past this method did not provide our federal government, in a timely manner, enough money to operate on. This is a problem we should wish we had to-day. However, it seems even to-day our government has an insatiable appetite for increasing amounts of money to operate on, resulting in our crippling, multi-trillion dollar federal government debt.

    Repealing the 16th amendment won’t be enough as the current federal individual income tax has since been corrected to be constitutionally fair.

    Fair-Tax (aka National Sales Tax) and Value-added taxes are just more expensive bureaucracy and complexity to over-tax ‘more fairly’. The government will still have the power to give itself more money by increasingly taxing too much.

    For now I'm not recommending a constitutional amendment. It will be hard enough implementing the above solution without trying to amend the Constitution at the same time. If after years of this solution being successfully applied and proving itself durable, then we should consider a constitutional amendment.
     
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    The States have already granted the federal government the power to lay direct taxes upon the States through the apportionment process. The States also granted the federal government the power to lay indirect taxes — excise taxes — upon privileges granted. Government was never granted the power to lay a direct tax upon the inhabitants of the States.
     
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    I wish to reference another previous related post I had elsewhere under the title of the Sheriff of Nottingham and the FairTax.
     
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    Repealing the 16th and 17th amendments would go a long way towards accomplishing what you suggest, making congress more accountable to their constituents and State governments who they would have to answer to as a result of Federal government spending which would once again be apportioned to the States based on population. Of course the Federal reserve act is something else that needs attention if ever we are to reduce and eventually eliminate living on borrowed money.
     
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    I agree repealing the 16th amendment will be helpful and a clear sign of what the country wants but it is alot of work most likely motivated by unrealistic expectations. For me making the country more accountable to its constitutents is well-intentioned and feels good but if you replace the word Constituents with Mob you'll see why I support the representative republic form of government, as imperfect as it is.

    I just saw an article by Dr. No (Ron Paul) that expalins a big problem with popular tax reform schemes: "Tax Reform is Useless Without Spending Reform" Sunday May 18, 2014.
     
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    The problem with tax reform schemes, like the FairTax, is just like Dr. No (Ron Paul) says: they don't address the issue of too much spending and taxes. Please see my other thread 'The Sheriff of Nottingham (Part 1) and the FairTax'.
     
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    I'm a tad late in replying, wouldn't you say?

    Regarding your statement that the federal government was never granted the power to lay a direct tax upon the individual. I disagree. I quote from another thread of mine and also reference the U.S. Constitution. The thread is 'The Sheriff of Nottingham (Part II) and LessTax' and I refer the reader to Article 1, paragraph 8 of our Constitution.

    From this other thread of mine I quote ' . . . the lengthy Brushaber vs. Union Pacific Supreme court decision of 1916 (one of the popular decisions referred to) and I understand it to say that even without the 16th Amendment, the direct income tax to individuals is within government's power to tax.'

    Article 1, paragraph 8 of our Constitution does not limit the power of the federal government to tax and this is supported by the above Supreme Court decision.

     
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    Yeah, big tax cut for Massachusetts, not such a deal for the red states though.....
     

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