Ghost Guns: Firearm Kits Bought Online Fuel Epidemic of Violence

Controlled aimed fire vs down in your belt hip fire? Quite a bit.
Having a gun made to go full auto instead of being tricked in to it matters too: One is stable and no likely to just dump a whole mag if you drop the ****ing thing and you can let off controlled bursts, and the other will just burp out the whole magazine at full cyclic.

 

You've always been able to make guns at home so this is no different than that, just more accessible.

 

Easy fix. Just call those who report on ghost guns racist and boom! Problem solved.

 

Yep. The video says that and goes into some details. The whole issue is accessibility.

 

You've always been able to create a firearm by selecting parts at your local hardware store and assembling them with minor tooling at home. Its always been accessible. It will now simply be more accessible and easier to monitor.
Its far easier for the Feebs to put spyware in a downloadables website than it is for them to monitor 100% of the hardware stores.

You're letting your emotions get the better of you. Stop it.

 

I had a 1911 I put a lot of ammo through probably more than it should have had. It started double and triple firing because the sear wore down. I didn't care much for that.

But I'm one of those people people that thinks full autos should be perfectly legal.

 

I didn't realize my emotions were getting the better of me. I only brought it up because I have been shopping for a 3D printer and have been watching a lot of 3D printer review videos. I also noticed a number of videos talking about 3D printed guns and I thought it may add to this discussion.

 

Yeah that's dangerous as ****, plus single stack is gross. You don't have to live like that anymore man. Double stack is a thing.
Check out the "Regulus", triple action ****ery to the max! (yes triple action is a thing. Sometimes called double action plus but I think that sounds lame)

Me too. Which is yet another reason why actual automatic is referred to a bubba's dremmel special.

 

Well, they were since you seem to be quite worried that 3D printing represents some bold new frontier of the ability to make firearms at home.

 

I am not so much worried but I love the opportunity that technology is giving us. 3D printing is a fantastic technology but with any new technology people will find a way to abuse it. The printing technology does not worry me I just hope people that care about those things keep it in mind and don't let it blind side them. Then we will be watching a bunch of experts on some cable news show saying who could have saw that coming? But for me I am excited by it.

 

I only have a 1911 because of the nostalgia of it. I have a more modern compact Carry pistol that I really rather hate. And want to get rid of but I just can't find a good replacement compact 45 I'm considering going with a different cal but that means now I have to buy three pistol calibers and learn to reload to pistol calibers.

I've been looking hard at the Smith & Wesson m&p. But I am reluctant to give them any money. And that's the same with Kimber they have a nice little ultra compact the 1911 style gun which fits me perfectly.

I'm just been out of the purchasing pool for so long I don't know what's out there

 

I keep waiting for some kid to build a Luty special from a book he got at his local library and for the Karens to absolutely **** themselves.

 

https://www.lionheartindustries.com/product/regulus-urban-beta/
^ Check out this guy. Its not made from polymer, its made from steel and aluminum, whole thing is cerakoted to help protect it.
Normal 1911 sights, almost 1911 controls (except for the triple action. So you can charge the slide, then push the hammer forward but when you draw it and start to move the trigger the hammer will snap back to single action ready and you'll have a double action LENGTH of pull but a single action resistance to pull and break. Safety on the slide otherwise normal. )
Double stack 9mm, 18 rounds. Plenty to work with.

 

Yep. Leland Lee. Shocking story, LOL.

 

"A felon, a terrorist, a domestic abuser can go from a gun kit to a gun in as little as 30 minutes."

It's good to see Biden getting tough on crime by closing this loophole.

 

Can these kits still be acquired by straw purchase, and then given to someone with a milling tool who can make the serial number go away in one or two passes?

 

The level of gun ignorance among the anti-gun people is incredible. Just a brief insight-
First- milling away a serial number rarely makes it unrecoverable; the molecular structure below the number has been altered by the process and can be detected.
What's more, as most guns criminals use are stolen and often resold repeatedly- the serial number does not lead to the criminal.
Most people who finish a gun at home- add serial numbers anyway as a positive identification of ownership, because so many are identical. That is "penalization".

The only component of a gun that the ATF says is a gun is the part with the serial number on it, and that is usually the "receiver", the section with the trigger.
A barrel, a stock, a sight- these are not guns, they are parts, and are not registered . They are also paperweights if not attached to the key part.
To make a "ghost gun" one has to acquire all the other parts- then manufacture the receiver. In the case of the AR rifles, the person building their own usually buys what is known as an 80% blank.
This is actually a casting or forging in the shape of the receiver, with minimal machining work, almost totally exterior. There is no place to put a trigger mechanism.
IF you have a milling machine and reasonable skills, you machine (remove) metal and create the interior contours for the trigger, safety and other operating parts.
This requires a degree of precision. If your dimensions are wrong- your casting is probably trash. If you don't have the right tools and ability to do it right, you won't be able to do it.

The same man who can do it right- can make that same part from a billet block of metal; it just takes more machine time.

Biden's video was created to make you think doing this it was like a kit with legos a novice could pop together. That's BS- with a hidden agenda that has little to do with crime control.

The infamous AR rifles, which probably also constitute the largest segment of home-finished guns- and which is America's favorite rifle- actually are the least used to kill people. More people are killed each year by physical violence with fists and feet- than by all rifles of all kinds put together.

No gun is a murder weapon until a murderer holds it. The shooter in the recent subway violence has been posting racial and hate rants on Youtube for many years, declaring his intent to kill everything in sight, and has an extensive criminal record. So while he has been telling the world he is dedicated to hate and violence- you don't hear a call from authorities to preempt that violence..... but after the fact, they will blame it on the gun. I wonder- if the man couldn't get a gun, what would have kept him from throwing a big molotov cocktail into the subway car? Would the anti-gun people feel that was an improvement?

This is not hard to understand. Take away the gun, the violent person is still violent. Take away the violent person, and the gun is an inanimate tool, with no malice or motive.

The key people behind gun control want to disarm the nation for a reason- and it's not crime. IF they hated crime- they would remove criminals. WHY don't they? Because it is useful not to. Crime and violent people- create the mechanism to disarm the people.... all people.... by fear of the weapon instead of the person using it to kill. Of course- only law-abiding people obey laws- and they are depending on that. .
The question you should be asking your government is-
IF you do not intend to do something that will create the need to defend myself from you- WHY do you want to make me defenseless?

 

Not sure who you're referring to here.

A criminal who intends to sell finished guns made from 80% purchased in a straw purchase can easily obliterate, permanently, the serial number on an AR lower. They are nearly always on the magwell, and cutting large pieces of a magwell completely out doesn't impact the function of the firearm. The "ghost gun" won't be traceable at all. The supply of these firearms to other criminals won't be impacted at all.

 

I've been around many custom-made ARs, only seen a couple people put serial number on the mag well, but no reason they couldn't. I really doubt that there is any supply chain of AR's made from castings going to crime. The supply of stolen weapons, to me- should be a major point of focus, but is not.

The theft of a firearm is legally seen the same as a theft of a pair of Nikes, or anything else. If the value is less than the local threshold between petty theft and grand larceny- usually around $1000- theft of a gun is petty theft, so most are. That also means it will not be actively investigated or pursued. In some areas- even if a gun thief is caught, it's a fine and they walk. If a stolen gun turns up someday and the serial number was reported stolen, it may go to the police- but often is not returned to the owner. The theft of a gun carries far more potential threat to the public than other petty theft does- but I know of no place that treats that differently. Any gun theft should be an actively investigated felony with stiff and required penalty. That would do more to take guns out of criminal hands than anything else I can think of.

In order for laws to work- they have to be appropriate to purpose, focused on the real problems, and reasonable- and they have to be enforced.

 

Sounds like those states have a crime problem, not a gun problem.

 

Barrels aren't required to be numbered.

 

Indeed.

 

that's because this isn't about crime crime is just the way they sell it to the gullible.

The ATF wants a serial number on these firearms so that you have to go to an FFL dealer and fill out the 4473 to purchase it.

This is also why they're pushing for universal background checks.

I would argue and this is based strictly on speculation that a number of hiring political types want guns on the street particularly in the hands of criminals we know for a fact they have actively done this, Eric Holder and fast and furious comes to mind. The more violence that they can point to and say this is a threat and use that to manipulate people into getting rid of the rights the better you don't care about people they care about ideas.

oh I think to a large degree in this law would work or just being deceptive about its purpose.

It has nothing to do with Crime that's just the way they manipulate people. You can't say and we need to do something about 22 pistols because those aren't menacing looking even though that's the primary firearm used in killings involving guns.

The point of the law is to gather data.

 

Because of your bolded statement, your subsequent conclusion is false. As has been amply proven, people who turn to crime, especially violent crime, do so because generally they are NOT the determined, conscientious, hard- working type, who believe that any job worth doing, is worth doing well. They tend to be short- sighted, and impulsive, looking for an easy short cut, to what they want. Case in point is the Brooklyn subway shooter, who began trying to scratch the serial number off of his firearm, but got discouraged, apparently, so gave up on the effort.

Making it tougher for criminals to commit crimes, and get away with them, does make a difference. By your implied rationale, it would be utterly pointless to have border police, because they "will not deter anyone determined enough," to cross into the U.S.

 

so why would they methodically order parts over the internet for considerably more than they could purchase fully assembled gun and spend the time assembling it?

Ghost gun laws are about one particular part and it's an 80% lower. You don't order it have it machined and then sent to you on an impulse.

again the ghost gun law has to do with a part if the guy couldn't take the time just to chisel off or grind off a serial number why is he going to wait for a barrel to be made for an 80% lower to be made for an upper to be made for a stock and then assemble it?

Indeed making it tougher for criminals to commit crime will deter crime I just don't see how this has anything to do with that.

As you pointed out criminals are typically impulsive and rarely think about consequences.

So I think it's unreasonable to assume that they would go through the trouble of having parts machine mailed to them and assembling them if they can't even bother to scratch a serial number off of a gun.

Further a serial number cannot be used to trace a gun back to you, in order to do that you would have to have a serial number registry which is a federal crime.