Gina Haspel, C.I.A. Deputy Director, Had Leading Role in Torture

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  1. MVictorP

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    Yes, I think that Iraq under Hussein, your former ally, was better than what we have now. You brought chaos to the region by toppling a secular regime that held it together. ISIL, and all the crimes they committed in Europe, is a direct consequence of the removal of Hussein. Delude yourself.
     
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    By now if you don't know about the specifics it's likely because you are willingly obtuse.
     
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    Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis were tortured and killed at AG ??
     
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    Saddam is preferable ??? Seriously ??

    You are right - after the surge Iraq was safe, stable, and secure. Obama gave it all away resulting in ISIS.
     
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    You have provided no specifics.
     
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    Were there? Well the whole world saw a fair number of the pictures. I understand it got masses of recruits for Al Qaeda and similar. The US sent out a signal to the world then that rather than being superior on a humanitarian level as it was claiming, it was most certainly down with the absolute lowest in the world.
     
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    Yep - by quite a margin. There are very few of your opinion by now - you are a relic.

    Sure it was. Afterwards, I remember Ahmadinejad walking in Bagdahd as if he owned the place, without so much security while your Hummers were getting blown here and there on the road.

    Obama gave it all to the zio-saudi clique just like Presidents before and after him.
     
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    I am no fan of Feinstein, quite the opposite, but she was visibly appalled by the CIA's torture program as most real human beings should be. So if anything, I hardily applaud her for that. The report however is not about Feinstein, despite that you desperately want it to be. It's about the CIA's torture program and their lies and other criminal activities defending it. Quit trying to derail the discussion with nonsense.

    I provided THE law. It includes the Supreme Law of the land, incorporating the Bill of Rights and international treaties, as well as a federal statute prohibiting torture. You provided nothing legitimate and just making up crap to defend your love of torture.

    My apologies, I should not have done what you do.

    Whatever that means. It has nothing to do with this discussion and is therefore irrelevant.
     
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    Hundreds of thousands of tortured an killed at AG ??
     
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    Water boarding was legal per the DOJ. That’s easy to understand.

    Look up the meaning of illiberal and then look in the mirror.
     
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    The numbers are irrelevant. The US was using sadism to torture people. It killed innocent civilians there - as did the British but you showed yourselves as having no more morality, no more humanity than the worst there is. It was most gross in the level of sadism it showed. Now if you are trying to excuse this because you believe you have not murdered and tortured and sadistically humiliated enough before **** hit the fan and the whole world had pictures of your brutal debauchery and you had to stop because your own citizens would not let you continue, then you are just telling me that to you at least, this kind of behaviour is acceptable. It still is what it always was and nothing more than that showed the world than the US had nothing to offer the world on any moral level.
     
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    The whole world has become fans of Sadam ?? Who knew ??
     
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    Ah ... there it is. It’s the hate America meme. It’s intellectually lazy but shared by many illiberals around the world.
     
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    The hatred of brutal sadistic torturers. Before that many people in the Middle East were judging you on what you said. You claimed you were liberating them. These pictures showed more than anything where the US was really at. People judge on actions. If you do not want people to see you as the lowest of the low, do not act it and if you do not want people to identify you personally with it, do not support it.
     
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    Your problem is you believe everything you are told by Democrats.
     
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    Of course numbers are relevant. You're creating a moral equivalent of a sadistic dictator and his equally sadistic sons who tortured and killed hundreds of thousands to the actions of a few rogue soldiers who humiliated tens of Iraqi prisoners.
     
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    And we did liberate the Iraqi people by guiding them to a representative (Shia, Sunni, Kurd, women, Christian) Constitutional Republic that was safe, stable, and secure. Unfortunately Barack Obama gave that success away resulting in ISIS and Iranian control over the ME.
     
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    So is crushing a boy's testicles according to John Yoo. So was murdering millions of innocent people according to Adolf Hitler. The DOJ has no authority to make law, change law or amend the Constitution. That's easy to understand, except for you. But you are irrelevant. What is relevant is the federal Constitution, except to you, the DOJ and the CIA and these days, just about the entire US government.

    What is an "illiberal"? Is that a sick liberal? Can't defend your claims with anything but hot air so insults are in order? I thought you said "insults and personal attacks are (not) a substitute for actual knowledge of a subject." Maybe leaving out "not" was not a typo and I was wrong to believe it was?

    I don't adhere to group think labels. I'm not left, right, middle, Republican, Democrat, conservative, liberal, communist, fascist, whatever label you've been indoctrinated to call people who disagree with your mentality. I'm just Bob and torture of ANY KIND is still a war crime, a crime against humanity, the Constitution, federal and international law, that's a FACT and always has been, no matter how much you hope and pray it isn't.
     
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    That’s ridiculous.

    Look it or better yet read all about what illiberal means in the book “The Closing of the Liberal Mind - How Groupthink and Intolerance Define the Left “ - Kim Holmes - 2016.
     
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    I wasn't familiar with the term so I looked it up. As usual, your incessant labels are irrelevant to the discussion and don't change the facts.

    Right.



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    Courtesy of the Bush administration's "liberation" of Iraq.
     
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    And there you go again. The perfect example of illiberal behavior. You should read and learn from the book. In the meantime - Carry on !!

    How many people were killed at AG ??
     
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    I am not saying one way or another whether I agree with the treatment of these prisoners, just wanted to mention that the Constitution does not apply to these prisoners. The Geneva convention may apply.
     
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    Anybody who ain't living in Hicksville.
     
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    They were not "rogue".
     
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    The Geneva Convention supersedes the US Constitution.
     

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