Gina Haspel, C.I.A. Deputy Director, Had Leading Role in Torture

The left believes in their inherent goodness which justifies their actions to attack using any means to “destroy” those they deem evil. This was carried to the demonic extreme in the French Revolution.

 

How many died in the French Revolution ?? What were their crimes ?? Did they receive due process ??

 

Rationalize torture as you need to, it's part of the "I love torture" syndrome.

 

What is the “I love torture” syndrome ??

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...he-us-army-wholly-lost-its-human-face.528617/

 

Find a dictionary and look up the words.

 

I just don't get liberals sometimes. It's like, sure, we don't support torture. Sure, we don't support capital punishment. Blah blah blah.... but when did liberals revolt when it was their president using drones to execute unarmed US citizens in foreign countries?

When did liberals revolt when mr Obama retained ms Haspel in the first place? And just now? Now it's an issue. BS.

I get where Rand is coming from. He is as horrified as a lot of the libertarians out there about the abuse of government power, especially torture, and rightfully so. So, the question for liberals seems to be this: does the association of this one event become the formulae from which all future candidates will be judged?

 

Otherwise known as the eradicate terrorists initiative.

 

Nothing as usual ?? But typical of the left and their Alinsky tactics.

 

The necessary amount. Regime change means rolling heads. How many died in the American Civil War?

They shamelessly abused their people for their own gain.

Most of them did.

 

I think you make it too much of a "liberal matter", dr. Both Repumocrat and/or Demoblican idealists are swallowed by the same swamp.

 

So you would advocate a return to the “reign of terror”. ?? The French Revolution was based on the belief that humans are inherently good and that the state run by good humans could create a perfect society. The corollary is that these good humans running the government were obligated to purge society of anyone who displayed non goodness. What could go wrong ??

 

I don't think there's hardly a French who would go back to the former system, AFM. You talk of the French Revolution as if it was a catastrophe, whereas it's the start of democracy and modernity.

 

While I agree that this can transcend political party, I am not seeing much thrash except from the left here. I expect that the majority of the thrash though isn't her past behavior, it is her politics, and because she isn't a reliable DNC drone, her confirmation is going to use the issue absent the historic support from their own party that advanced her career. I think it is precisely because she is a woman being put forward by Trump that the left are upset about it. Woe be to the world if he nominated a female conservative for the SCOTUS.... But hey, it would be my prediction for what he should do this summer...

 

I think the left has too wide a definition for torture. For me torture produces physical damage to the body. I'm not sure we did that. If we did then I'm against it. If we didn't then I hope it worked.

 

She's just a disgusting human being regardless of her sex, political affiliation, religion or the colour of her curtains. I wouldn't want her in my team, and it doesn't make it better if democrats/the left worked with her at some point.

In fact it makes it worse.

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...y-lost-its-human-face.528617/#post-1068823331

 

Perhaps you could explain how your link relates to my post. I don't get it.

 

I take it you're not an American? In this country the Constitution protects the unalienable right of due process of law for a reason. That way people such as yourself cannot be jailed indefinitely and tortured because someone in a position of authority decided to label you a "terrorist" (guilty by accusation). In a true Constitutional Republic, guaranteed by the US Constitution (you probably don't have one where you live so I'm sorry you may not understand the concept), human beings are always innocent unless and until proven guilty by a valid court of law (something you may not have in your country). There is also something called the 8th Amendment, it's a law that's part of the Bill of Rights and protects human beings from cruel and unusual punishment (such as torture). There are also several international treaties that the US is a signatory to that prohibit torture and other human rights atrocities. These treaties are part of the Constitution via the Supremacy Clause. Government servants who violate the Constitution are charged and tried for crimes against the Constitution (or they should be according to the Constitution and several federal statutes). Perhaps you may want to read up on the Constitution and other papers such as the Senate Intelligence Committee report on torture, the Geneva Convention, the Nuremburg Principles, etc. so you can get yourself an education on doctrines such as human rights.

As it stands, the US government (at least for the last 3 administrations) has committed numerous war crimes and crimes against the Constitution, these include genocide and various other crimes against humanity, such as torture. Those who have committed such atrocities should have been charged with serious crimes but they haven't been. So we now have an infestation of war criminals within the US government who commit crimes 24/7 with impunity.

"Everything Hitler did was legal." - Martin Luther King Jr.

 

The American Revolution was the start representative constitutional republican government based on a system of checks and balances. The French Revolution was the complete opposite and indeed was a complete and tragic catastrophy. What form of government does France have now ??

 

She's a piece of garbage.

 

A Republic which strongly ressemble yours. That must be why it was your first ally.

 

Where the hell did we commit genocide? What other "various other crimes against humanity" are you alleging beyond torture?

The only accusation that appears to have any merit is torture, and it disappointments me that that moron 0bama never shut that down after he promised to do so. Not only was he a poor leader, but it seems he failed to deliver on even that promise, and anyone who was involved should have faced charges, potentially including Bush and Cheney and any number of people under them.

 

And bears no resemblance to the totalitarian governance of the French Revolution.

 

Now there's some well thought out analysis. Alinsky lives in comments like that above.