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  1. God & Country

    God & Country Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, that has to be it, right? Trump couldn't possibly have done that himself, right? At the end of the day he's still the president in spite of all the efforts to unseat him and all you folks can do is take meaningless potshots at him, pathetic.
     
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    My point is that we don't know. And we will never know.
     
  3. Natty Bumpo

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    The partisan kabuki act of the House impeachment and the Senate holding its nose is subordinate to the exposure of truth during the investigation.

    Beside so many impressive public servants upholding principle and American values, it would accrue to the greater knowledge of the American electorate if Trump would stop hiding relevant document and gagging those most in-the-know and able to spill the beans - Mulvaney, Bolton, Perry, Pompeo, etc. - but Trump is well aware of his need to hide as much of the truth as he can.

    Meanwhile, the pattern of folks befouled by proximity to Trump is manifested big time by Giuliani.

    Rudy will never be able to delouse himself. His TrumpStink is forever.
     
  4. Foolardi

    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actually that is what is known as " old hat ".Whether a company boss being
    used to having an Ad Agency as their fixer.Which of course is what most
    Ad Agency's do.And Giuliani did Fix the Big Apple.After becoming famous for
    fixing the Cosa Nostra problem in N.Y.City.Then the homeless bums on the
    streets and sidewalks of N.Y.city.
    Donald Trump usually is his Own " Fixer ".If anything his Twitter account
    is his most used and readily available " Fixer ".
    Unless someone can cite for me Who was Donald Trumps Fixer while
    he ascended the rungs towards being a Real Estate Mogul.
    Or beating out 16 GOP candidates for President.
    If anything .... Trumps Big Mouth and style are his " Fixer ".
    Possibly the use of things like an " angle " as in Pro Wrestlings
    Babyface vs. Heel angles.Use of "Heat" also.Pro Wrestling term for
    gaining attention by creating a negative reaction by the fans over
    who is to be hailed as a hero ... A Babyface or a Heel.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Another example of this MSM being used to create an " angle ".
    That being ...How the acknowledged title of America's Mayor can dwindle down
    to mere ashes in no time if only this MSM gets on board their Hate this person
    train.Now that is " old hat ".Doesn't work too good for these Yellow Dog Democrats
    and their ilk { toadies/sycophants } in the mainstream media.
    It dint work for Jeb Bush { An original darling of Joe Scarborough }.
    lest one forget how much a fan of John McCain was Chris Matthews,
    of - Hardball - who coined the nickname " Maverick " for
    John McCain, a regular on - Hardball - after Bush became President.
    Prodding McCain at every opportunity to make a run at the Presidency.
    How'd that work out for McCain in 2008.
    Matthews dropped McCain faster than a Idaho Hot Potato that's been
    in Grandmas oven too long.Is what.Is all.
    The days and nights of this Dirty Dog Bias media are melting down and
    fast.It's all their own doing.
    You can fool some of the people all of the time
    But you can fool ... Mom " - Captain Penny.

     
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  6. stone6

    stone6 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't consider "pro-wrestling" a true competitive sport, but rather entertainment. And, of course, I consider the Trump Presidency in the same way, whose chief purpose is entertainment.
     
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    Ghouliani is as crooked as they come

    So of course he's the President's lawyer
     
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    That explains how Trump managed to deliever on a Great Economy.
    Put in place a record number of appointed judges.
    Got rid of the record level of harmful Obama rules & regulations that
    hurt both big and small business and cost average joe American more.
    Like in wintertime and heating bills.Or low gas prices,due to freedom of
    relying so heavily on Saudi oil { Since under Trump we are producing record
    level of natural gas and oil }. I guess to those who live in N.Y.city and
    California that is amusing entertainment.But I don't consider guessing
    entertainment either.because now our Middle Class does not have to guess
    about their paychecks getting bigger.Because they are.
    Unlike under Obama where average middle class pay was down annually
    over $ 4,500 each and every year.Under Obama our Middle Class
    fell into DECLINE for the first time in Modern America.According to
    the 2013- 2014 census.Also not entertaining.
    But yes,Trump record sell-out Rally's can seem like a hootenanny.
     
  9. hampton86

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    Calling them socialists is a clear indicator you're not one of the more educated magats
     
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    But a president extorting foreign leaders isn't frightening???
     
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    He was a VP, not president, sheesh.
     
  12. Lesh

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    THAT is all Trumpers care about

    Many of them are incompetent.

    Most are ultra right wing

    Most if not all are anti-abortion
     
  13. Natty Bumpo

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    "The Media" as some amorphous, nefarious scapegoat is a tired paranoidal meme. Impartially fulfilling its roll in exposing facts has an impact. Pretending that variegated corporate entity indulges, en masse, in petty emotions is a silly notion.

    After Opra Winfrey labeled him "America's Mayor" the media picked up on the catchy epithet, and Rudy rode it like an endless wave. That wave has now crashed on the jagged rocks of reality.

    "The Media" had made Giuliani's reputation because "The Media" hyped his being mayor of NYC at the time of an horrific terrorist attack. Prior to that, his reputation among those who knew him best was decidedly mixed, so much so that his reelection was extremely problematic. A 2010 poll of New Yorkers showed 36% approval.

    Blaming "The Media" for investigating and exposing Giuliani's subsequent conduct fails. The Wall Street Journal reports that, among the charges against Giuliani now under consideration are obstruction of justice, money laundering, conspiracy to defraud the United States, making false statements to the federal government, serving as an agent of a foreign government without registering with the Justice Department, donating funds from foreign nationals, making contributions in the name of another person or allowing someone else to use one's name to make a contribution, along with mail fraud and wire fraud. Whether any or all lead to prosecution remains to be seen.

    There is no way that even the ideological media entertainers most dedicated to perpetuating the "America's Mayor" myth forever can ignore what has transpired over the past 18 years, nor from any and all legal consequences that may result.
     
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    No it's clear that. Being educated doesn't make people smart enough to know that bad people just want control. And they achieve that control through taxes and regulation.
    I don't worship worthless educations like our school systems are selling now.
     
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    He didn't extort anyone. That is a f'ing lie. And Democrats need to stop spreading it their worthless education is showing through.
     
  16. Natty Bumpo

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    Ego-gratification is derived by various conceits, not just the State seizing control of women's wombs and spendthrift policies that drive the national debt to astronomical levels.
     
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    There is an ongoing Congressional investigation to determine that.

    Trump concealing relevant documents and gagging insiders in-the-know is not helping the search for truth.
     
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    One of Dirty Rudy's alleged corrupt accomplices has been eliminated in Ukraine.
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    SLEAZE Я US

     
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    We all SAW it...remember the phone call?

    "I have a favor to ask though..."
     
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    it is a lie to say that extortion was in the phone call.
     
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    No, not if others (such as Sondland, Giuliani, and others) were telling the Ukrainian government "no investigation announcement, no meeting and no aid." Additionally, the withholding of aid was illegal.
     
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    1. Giuliani hasn't testified
    2. That was Sondlands presumption.
     
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    True...but he's made public comments claiming both that he was acting in Ukraine at the request of the U.S. State Department and was acting as the President's "personal lawyer." And, others have testified they believed Rudy was calling the shots in Ukraine. Add to that the President's request that Zelenskiy talk to Rudy, in the July 25th tel-con.
     
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    So what?
     
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    It appears that the President may have broken the law in withholding the funding without notifying Congress of the withholding and giving a cause. Secondly, he may have used this withholding to advance an illegal extortion conspiracy threatening to withhold appropriations to Ukraine unless the President publicly announced investigations into one of the President's political opponents and substantiated a conspiracy theory, already debunked by his own administration.
     
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