In another thread I noted that I had stumbled on to the fact that the glaciers in Teton NP we're all formed during the little ice age. This got me thinking maybe all glaciers in the world that everyone is freaking about were formed or at least enlarged during this same era. Apparently that is the fact and glaciers worldwide are merely retreating to pre little ice age levels and ocean levels are rising to pre little ice age levels so you can all relax. The world is not ending. "In 1589 the Allalin glacier in Switzerland descended so low that it blocked the Saas valley, forming a lake. The moraine broke a few months later, sending floods downstream. Seven years later 70 people died when similar floods from the Gietroz glacier submerged the town of Martigny. As the glaciers relentlessly pushed downslope thousands of acres of farm land were ruined and many villages were left uninhabitable such as La Bois where a government official noted “where there are still six houses. all uninhabited save two, in which live some wretched women and children…Above and adjoining the village there is a great and horrible glacier of great and incalculable volume which can promise nothing but the destruction of the houses and lands which still remain”. Eventually the village was completely abandoned." "And at their subsequent advanced positions – probably around 500 BC as well as between 1650 and 1850 AD – the glaciers in the Alps regained an extent, estimated in the Glockner region, at about 5 times their Bronze Age Minimum, when all the smaller ones had disappeared." "Meanwhile, analysis of moraines shows that the Greenland Ice Sheet may have receded tens of kilometers within its present day margins during the early and mid Holocene, before reaching their maximum extents since the early Holocene during the Little Ice Age. Over in Alaska, it has been found that there were three separate glacial advances between the 12thC and 18thC. Remains of trees, dating back to the Middle Ages, are now reappearing there as the glaciers retreat. Brian Fagan also describes how: Ice sheets in Alaska, the Canadian Rockies and Mount Rainier in the NW United States moved forward simultaneously. Glaciers expanded at the same times during the 19th Century in the Caucasus, the Himalayas and China. The Qualccaya ice core in Peru provides evidence of frequent intense cold from 1500 to 1720, with prolonged droughts and cold cycles from 1720 to 1860. Studies of glaciers in South America come to similar conclusions. Thompson on the Quelccaya glacier in Peru: The fact that the Little Ice Age (about A.D. 1500 to 1900) stands out as a significant climatic event in the oxygen isotope and electrical conductivity records confirms the worldwide character of this event." "In New Zealand the Franz Joseph glacier was “a mere pocket of ice on a frozen snowfield nine centuries ago”…. Then Little Ice Age cooling began and the glacier thrust downslope into the valley below smashing into the great rain forests that flourished there, felling giant trees like matchsticks. By the early 18th Century, Franz Joseph’s face was within 3 km of the Pacific Ocean . The high tide of glacial advance at Franz Joseph came between the late 17th Century and early 19th Century, just as it did in the European Alps. It is evident that sea levels must have fallen during the Little Ice Age, not only because of glacial advance but also because of colder temperatures. Were sea levels higher than now during the MWP? Certainly HH Lamb believes so – see here. But even if they were not, it is clear that much of the 20thC rise in sea levels that we have seen is no more than a return to the conditions that existed 1000 years ago, before glaciers worldwide began to expand." https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2015/01/25/glacial-advance-during-the-little-ice-age/
You didn't give any evidence for that theory. All you did was post cherrypicked cases of certain glaciers expanding during the LIA. That in no way says or implies they all expanded, or that the current glacial meltback will stop at pre-LIA levels. That's clearly nonsense, being how sea levels are now much higher than they were pre-LIA, and still shooting up. The hard data says your theory is wrong.
Yes. A small dip during the LIA, but levels have now gone way past the 1500 level. Others did, through proxies. http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2011/06/2000-years-of-sea-level/
Yes I cherry picked a few from all over the world that were listed in an extensive article on the subject and then it's incumbent on you to go to the link provided for the big picture and numerous other examples. Obviously you were afraid to do so.
Here's more info this for anyone actually interested in facts and reality. The more you look into this the more you see glaciers are retreating to pre LIA levels. So much for glacier melting hysteria. https://journals.openedition.org/mediterranee/7146 http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0959683616658530 "The history of glaciation within current Glacier National Park boundaries spans centuries of glacial growth and recession, carving the features we see today. Glaciers were present within current Glacier National Park boundaries as early as 7,000 years ago but may have survived an early Holocene warm period (Carrara, 1989), making them much older. These modest glaciers varied in size, tracking climatic changes, but did not grow to their Holocene maximum size until the end of the Little Age (LIA) around A.D. 1850. While they may not have formed in their entirety during the LIA, their maximum perimeters can be documented through mapping of lateral and terminal moraines. (Key, 2002) The extent and mass of these glaciers, as well as glaciers around the globe, has clearly decreased during the 20th century in response to warmer temperatures. https://www.usgs.gov/centers/norock...ce_center_objects=0#qt-science_center_objects
Are you even aware of your own hypocrisy here? In your next post, you run weeping from the hard data, data which you are clearly afraid of. I look at all data, while you auto-reject any data that doesn't reinforce your religious beliefs. Sea levels are much higher now than they were before the LIA started. That means your 'the current glacial melt and sea level rise is just recovery from the LIA' theory is garbage. That's not debatable. You were totally wrong. And that's not a problem. It's okay to be wrong, as long as you learn from it and deal with it like an adult. That's not what you did. You threw a tantrum. That's not okay. And it won't help. A flat-earther doesn't become right just because he stamps his widdle foot, and neither do you. The facts don't care about what you believe. (And note that by your 'but I gave a link!" standard, you must accept all of what I say as being correct unless you can disprove everything in my link. Get crackin'.) http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2011/06/2000-years-of-sea-level/
Ho hum yet another temper tantrum by someone who can't hold a civil debate or discussion. Just read your own post and try to recognize the hate and rage coming from you. That's what happens when a religious cult member is challenged on his beliefs. Oh by the way "you must accept all of what I say as being correct unless you can disprove everything in my link. Get crackin'.)" https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/12/02/history-falsifies-climate-alarmist-sea-level-claims/ "Robert W. Endlich served as a weather officer in the US Air Force for 21 years and a US Army meteorologist for 17 years. He was elected to Chi Epsilon Pi, the national Meteorology Honor Society, while a basic meteorology student at Texas A&M University. He has degrees in geology and meteorology from Rutgers University and the Pennsylvania State University, respectively, and has studied and visited the ancient sites of Rome, Ostia Antica and Pisa". And since you love charts and graphs so much here's something you might enjoy
Crying at me for proving you wrong just makes you look craven. Flat-earthers and scientologists act just like you, rage-weeping and screaming how the outside world is the real cult.They're wrong, you're wrong. Not because I'm wonderful and brilliant, but because the hard data says so. Sea levels and temperatures are much higher now than they were at the start of the LIA, so your theory that it's all a recovery from the LIA is garbage. Fall on the floor, scream, flail those little arms and legs, it changes nothing. You're still wrong. You're the one constantly weeping "BUT MY LINK! BUT MY LINK! YOU MUST REFUTE IT!". So I give a link and you ... decide you don't have to refute it. Because you're apparently special. The cult has told you that your own standards never have to apply to yourself. Given the staggering level of your hypocrisy, why should anyone bother talking to you? I can address that. It was embarrassing garbage. It just rambles helplessly from irrelevant factoid to irrelevant factoid. It babbles about hurricanes, China, Obama, but nowhere does it show sea level measurements are wrong. The part about Pisa was embarrassingly stupid. Rivers silt up harbors, thus some old Roman harbor cities are now well inland. Only serious morons cite inland Roman port cities as proof sea level is falling. Best I could tell, that Pisa idiocy was his "proof", and I've refuted it. It wasn't tough. Your link is refuted. If you disagree, then, in your own words, tell everyone exactly how you know all the sea level measurements are really wrong. Appeal to authority fallacy. You look to be going down the list of logical fallacies. Stupid and wrong doesn't become less stupid and wrong because you list some credentials. Yes, I enjoy it. It's a good illustration of what the label says. Did you have a point? Now, it's not a good illustration of modern sea levels, being that is contains no data points within the past two hundred years. It was never meant to show modern sea levels. That makes it rather irrelevant to our current discussion. You mean WUWT didn't inform you of that? They misled you into thinking it represented modern sea levels? Imagine that. You should take them to task for misleading you like that. But you won't. Instead you'll run back to them, drop to your knees, lick their boots, and beg for more lies.
You are obviously emotionally invested in this subject to the point where adult rational discussion with you is just not going to happen so ill have to pull the plug on you snowflake. I am in essence sending you to your room like your mom should have done instead of letting you turn into the tantrum thrower you are. Maybe in a year or so I'll take you off ignore and see if you have matured a little. Bye bye..
