Global climate debate-the facts

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  1. Deckel

    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is only horrible logic when it contradicts your position. When it is snow pack disappearing it is Oh the humanity, but when it is snow pack expanding it is no big deal.
     
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    There has been no such finding.
     
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    My major case is not for or against the science but rather simple - what do we plan to do about it in a way that matters? The industrialized world isn't going to toss out driving cars and trucks and most don't have China's ability to make big projects work out in the USA try to build dams or big solar panel farms and wind farms and desalination plants without someone going ape **** environmentalists, or those your displacing and then there is paperwork up the rear hole. That leaves one option adapting to climate change and the major powers that pollute are in the best position to adapt with hydroponic farming, drip irrigation, genetically modified crops and even moving populations inside our nations if done slowly enough it wouldn't be an issue just make building in flood prone zones expensive tax wise unless its vital to commerce or food production. But poor nations are screwed.
     
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    Uh huh...

    "Over the year, it snows more than it melts, but calving of icebergs also adds to the total mass budget of the ice sheet. Satellite observations over the last decade show that the ice sheet is not in balance. The calving loss is greater than the gain from surface mass balance, and Greenland is losing mass at about 200 Gt/yr."

    https://www.dmi.dk/en/groenland/maalinger/greenland-ice-sheet-surface-mass-budget/

    Again, sorry for your confusion about this local weather phenomena.
     
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    Be sure to mention that to that state sized berg that calved the other day.
     
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    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Funny you post the daily weather report as proof it is climate not weather :crazy:

    Rutgers says you are wrong by the way
     
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    I did, it's not my problem you can't refute any of them? And why do I need to take an English class? What's the point...I make high middle class and own my own home on a lake.



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    This is the one issue where personally, I stand consistently on the left about, so I apologize if I sound a bit biased.

    The biggest argument I see from the right is that the climate has always had cycles of warming and cooling throughout Earth's history. I definitely see where people are coming from with this, as this is true.

    However, when we are spewing millions of tons of CO2 into our atmosphere, doesn't it make sense that that will have SOME kind of impact on the climate?

    Take a look at this:
    http://www.newsweek.com/climate-change-national-security-republicans-637174

    Even Republicans in the house are calling it a national security threat! Now, whether they plan to do anything about it is yet to be seen, but the truth is that climate change has been accelerated because the fossil fuel industry is spewing out millions of tons of the stuff a year and they need to be held responsible.
     
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    Of course. Real climate scientists don't deny that for a second. But that is not the same thing as saying that MOST of the 20th century warming was caused by CO2, which in turn is not the same as saying future warming will follow the same pattern, which is not the same as saying there will be some kind of "tipping point," which is not the same as saying warmer temperatures will necessarily be a net negative. The latter are all speculations that AGW screamers claim are facts.
    "Held responsible" for the improved global climate...?
     
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    No, for accelerating climate change. I mean, no one is denying that they've improved the global economy, but they are mostly responsible for causing global temperatures to rise because their factories spew out millions of tons of CO2 every year. They've been trying to cover that up for years by spreading lies about climate change being a hoax!
     
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    But it is not accelerating. It has slowed since the 1990s.
    No one says climate change is a hoax. Climate has always changed. The hoax is the claim that CO2, specifically, will cause disastrous climate change in our lifetimes if fossil fuel use is not drastically curtailed.
     
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    Actually, the Paris Accord set goals of reducing global average temperatures by 2 degrees C. That's what is planned, and each nation is responsible to do what they can to achieve this goal. Many nations are off to a very good start. The US now gets 7% of it's power from wind, up from less than 1%, nine years ago. We will be at 10% by 2020. Britain is over 20%. China is investing heavily, as are many other countries. It's happening. Whether or not the 2 degrees C goal is achieved, remains to be seen.
     
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    Actually, not the purpose, but let's just go down your assertion road. Do you realize that the temperature target you articulated would actually be lower than temperatures in the 1860s, right?

    To put a fine point on it, the PA simply asked that policy be put in place to ensure that temperature increases would be limited to 2C a century. Not quite the same thing, right? And why 2C? Because that's what science expects to be NATURAL warming. As in the cyclic variation would normally be inside of that limit. And guess what? We haven't been outside of it yet. Nor, would we expect that we ever would be.
     

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