Globalism vs. Nationalism: The Most Important Issue of our Time

That is your definition of globalism. To others it means doing away with countries and borders. That is idiocy. I am not saying globalism is all bad but we do need to look at what that looks like. I believe the US is a great model. Use democracy and the free market while balancing things with regulations. The United States of America is the best example of success. We should have a United Countries of the World.

 

You must be blind. Everyone talks about it daily.

 

The most important issue of our time that nobody is posting about on this forum, nor talking about anywhere in America, is the lack of moral character and really bad parenting in the United States of America. Nobody wants to talk about that. Ever. It is 100% Taboo.

The second most important issue of our time is a state/government that continually oversteps its authority under the United States Constitution.

The third most important issue of our time is our failure to stop supporting Zionism, our failure to get rid of the Federal Reserve Banking System and the $18 - $20 Trillion in national debt (which will easily be upwards of $25 - $30 Trillion before either Hillary or Trump is out of office) hanging over the heads of our children's, children's, children's, children's, children's grandest of children.

The fourth most important issue of our time is our failure to design a strategic initiative for the development of a New Energy Technology based Economy, the Trillions of future dollars in revenues it would provide, the cleaner environment it provides as well as the recession proof economy it guarantees by permanently reversing our growing trade imbalance through the patenting and exporting of that technology throughout the world.

After that, we can talk about our broken Educational System, our crumbling National Infrastructure, the Militarization of our Police, woefully inadequate Elder Care for our aging parents, woefully inadequate Foster Care for our left behind children and the development of sustainable energy based residential and new live-work communities.

Then, we will have the national backbone, national strength, national fortitude and strong geopolitical hand to bring to the table of Globalism, such that no matter what happens the United States of America will not be left out of the equation of growth and prosperity for its citizenry.

 

I'm an American. I'm not a "world citizen".

 

What? Communication is a human right? Have you read the Bill of Rights?

I should probably stop there but ...

To "begin thinking globally" ??? America has been run by globalists for decades. What are you talking about?

What are you talking about? Even if true, instead of bringing America down to the level of the rest of the world, why don't you globalists work on bringing the rest of the world up to America's level?

There will never be a one world government because cultural differences around the world will prevent it.

 

I agree. It's not just the liberals though, the free-trade open borders conservatives are globalists too.

 

What are you talking about?

Globalist don't want to rule the world, THEY ARE IN IT FOR THE $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ - ALL OF IT THEY CAN GET. Globalists have no allegiance to any country, just to their bank accounts.

There are globalist businesses - multi-national corporations run by the rich and powerful who line the pockets of the politicians for tax breaks and government funds so THEY CAN MAKE MORE MONEY.

And there are the globalist politicians who promote open border immigration policies and free - trade to help their rich business friends make even more $$$$$$$ because those rich friends donate to their campaigns and hire them after they retire from congress, often as lobbyists.

Through the policies they promote, they all GIVE THE MIDDLE FINGER to the american public because these policies keep american worker wages low and cause manufacturing jobs to be moved to foreign countries. The rich and powerful of these corporations ARE NOT SHARING WITH THEIR WORKERS.

 

Agree, agree and agree.

I think it has been worked out. Its called the Nationalist Contract with America. Take a look and see what you think:
http://www.theamericannationalist.com/

 

I think you view the 'nation' too romantically. The nation was not about the people, it was about a concerted group of elite interests. Now these very same interests have grown so large and powerful the nation is no longer an asset but an obstruction.

Soon, nations will be nothing more than provinces of large economic blocs.

 

I don't have time to surf threads daily. The day I searched I didn't see any or else I would have jumped in on it.

And, based on the discussion going on in this thread, few understand the difference between nationalism and globalism and need to do some more homework.

 

I agree 1000% with you. The reason I started this thread is because GLOBALISM IS CAUSING AMERICA'S PROBLEMS INCLUDING THOSE YOU IDENTIFY.

Globalism has caused the $20 Trillion dollar debt because the borrow and spend formula of government is a RESPONSE TO A WEAK ECONOMY that is a DIRECT RESULT OF FREE TRADE (blue collar manufacturing jobs gone) AND OPEN BORDER IMMIGRATION POLICIES (keeping wages low thus needing more food stamps and other government assistance which we borrow to fund).

GLOBALISM IS WHAT IS CAUSING RACIAL UNREST because the benefits of capitalism are not reaching all Americans and it is not reaching all americans because of free trade and open border immigration policies that export jobs and keep wages low. Companies are doing very well but the business leaders of those companies are not sharing with the employees. I have posted on this extensively on other threads.

Your post is one of the most intelligent I've seen which is why I am thinking you might like to see a solution to get the government back to a constitutional government. If so, read this:

http://www.theamericannationalist.com/

 

I don't know what you are referring to but it seemed to me the smartest men in the history of the world (James Madison and Thomas Jefferson) were looking out for the citizens when they drafted the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Read the Federalist Papers (they are on wikipedia).

The nation HAS BECOME a nation for elite interests - I agree with you on that.

As i said in another post, cultural differences will prevent a one world government.

 

I think you romanticize American history as well...

For one, the principles of the Constitution has precedent in a number of philosophical writings from Europe, even from observations of Indian politics in North America, and many were noted in the French Revolution. There was no extraordinary genius in the making of the Constitution. It is simply the latest of socially progressive documentation perhaps beginning with the Magna Carta.

Second, Madison and Jefferson were part of a group of elite-only members who drafted the Constitution in secret.

 

I skimmed it. It feels a bit like stealth socialism to me. I think that income inequality is a good thing and that it must continue to increase. The state should never interfere with or limit the individuals ability to create wealth. The first thing about the contract that jumps out at me as being a problem is the focus on income equality. There is nothing fair or just about so-called equality. We need to promote equity.

It is a good idea to eliminate corporate tax in some ways but ultimately I think it is hest for corporations to pay some tax. A 10% corporate tax rate would be fair. The reason it is good for corporations to pay tax is because by paying tax the corporation is contributing to/funding the government and this is a vital defense that corporatiins can use to shield themselves. It can be the corporations that cover welfare and paying tax is one way they can do it. It makes it a bit hard for socialist types to attack corporations when it is corporations that cover their basic needs. It is also a fact that even though corporate tax is officially high in USA, there are plenty of ways around it, like Delaware for example. It is best if corporations pay their 10% and the total amount of corporate tax is promoted to the masses. I like a flat tax for income. But the focus for tax needs to be on consumption. Tax consumption not production.

When Thomas Jefferson existed the US economy was based on mercentilism and the US government rightly wanted to tax merchants. I do not like focusing too much on the US constitution because it is dated and limiting - and we are looking to move to global economic compatiblity for all nations.

A lot of people say that socialism is slavery. And in many ways it is. If the masses want socialism then we must give it to them, yes. But we dont need to give it to everyone. Capitalists need to understand that making slaves of the masses does not need to enslave us all - and that making slaves of the masses is not a bad thing - it will be a great thing.

 

First - thanks for taking the time to write a long and thorough response.

Income inequality is a VERY BAD thing because eventually more people will vote for socialism than will vote for capitalism. If Bernie Sanders doesn't prove that to you, then you are not paying attention. Bernie Sanders might have won if it weren't for the DNC working against him.

I agree completely which is why I believe there should be zero tax on businesses. But the government should be involved with ensuring that the wealth that is created, is shared with the employees at all levels of the company. Income inequality is a real issue - the data doesn't lie. This article has links to supporting data and explains what caused income inequality:
http://www.theamericannationalist.com/archivepages/our-opinion-income-inequality.html

As long as corporations pay some tax, they will hire lobbyists and give money to politicians to get tax breaks. The only way PEOPLE not CORPORATIONS will regain control over government is getting rid of all links between businesses and government and taxes is the most important. You aren't going to get the concepts of the contract by "skimming" it.

The fact that government doesn't follow the Constitution is the reason why America is in such bad shape. Its the reason why we are $20 trillion dollars in debt.

Until the enslaved masses rise up and overthrow those in control.

 

People need to realize too that when we speak of globalism today we are primarily referencing a "new world order" under Bill Clinton, intended to serve elitists. Very simply, they demand of nations what the people themselves would not voluntarily surrender. Understand too that 99% of the world, at least 95% of America, cannot afford the price of admission. But this is what Obama speaks to when he decries nationalism and demands surrender of necessary freedoms. Sad too because those that follow blindly will likely suffer most severely.

 

IMO, it is criminal that our government allows Chinese and other products produced globally into our stores when they are not produced in fair trade against Americans products. We might as well have sweat shops down the street.

 

True, if you look at who's behind the "New World Order" and globalization it's the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderberg's along with the Council on Foreign Relations, the World Trade Organization. Who's a member of the Trilateral Commission ? G.H. Bush (41) has been a members since the 1970's and Bill Clinton is a member. Remember it was Clinton who signed NAFTA into law. Guess who has attended the Bilderbergs meeting ??? Would you believe Hillary Clinton ?

Guess who's not a member of the Trilateral Commission or the Bilderbergs ? Donald Trump.

Why isn't this rich multi millionaire a member ? Trump despises globalization and remembers back when America had an industrial base and actually manufactured things, high quality things not like the cheap stuff we see in our stores today.

That's why "The New World Order" fears Donald Trump. Trump is very likely to bring industry and jobs back to America. Make America great again.

Donald Trump vs The Bilderberg Group -> https://hallsofkarma.wordpress.com/...derberg-group-global-showdown-exposed-videos/

http://www.globalistagenda.org/download/TrilateralsOverAmerica.pdf

Now you know the rest of the story why so many have tried to take down the Trump.

 

I consider my action here on this forum one step ahead of the issue the OP points out in a number of ways.

"Do Americans understand that the reason for these splits is that globalist politicians in BOTH POLITICAL PARTIES have been working together to ruin America for decades"

Not decades, much longer, since 1871. The civil war was their innovation to divide. The Torys hatched modern globalism through the American military since the civil war.

The splits are not just nationalism, they are between globalist and nationalist devotions.

Maybe someone can understand this point.

The solution is the restoration of constitutional government. You can describe the problem until hell freezes over, and that does nothing to alleviate it.

American state citizens agreement upon prime constitutional intent is the only way to intervene in the completion of the hijacking of the American government.

I only work on that. People can easily engage the solution without immersion in the any controversies surrounding the problem.

The solution is American State Citizens unity upon definition of prime constitutional intent that controls then empowers States to use the American right to alter or abolish.

Since you are so knowledgeable about the problem, engaging the solution should be easy for you. All you need do is agree with prime constitutional intent that enables State Citizens unity adequate to alter or abolish, then share and extend that agreement as widely as possible.

Do you agree and accept that the framers of the founding documents intended for us to alter or abolish government destructive to our unalienable rights?

Do you agree and accept that the ultimate purpose of free speech is to enable the unity adequate to effectively alter or abolish government destructive to our unalienable rights?

Now understand the legal due process that uses the agreement.

http://algoxy.com/law/lawfulpeacefulrevolution.html

Read that page and pay close attention to the Sibley lawsuit and then tell me what it means within the globalist takeover.

 

Yep, I agree. That's why a lot of people are attacking trump. That's why Mark Cuban is a hillary supporter. The globalists want their cheap labor for their companies so they can make $10 in profit instead of $8.

I don't doubt that there are efforts for one world government. All you have to do is look at what the morons at the UN are doing. I hope President Trump pulls America out of that worthless organization. And kick them out of New York too.

I think that the majority of globalists are simply greedy people who don't care about any country, just making more money. It was Thomas Jefferson who said that "merchants have no country" and that statement applies today more than ever.

 

Thanks for taking the time for the long post. I see that you are as unhappy with the government as I am.

I do not disagree that globalism has been around for a long time. I just think that it has been drastically accelerated in the last 40 years by historically American companies that have increasingly been giving the middle finger to blue collar America and hiring immigrant labor and moving their factories and manufacturing jobs overseas. That is a recent occurrence as proven by the fact that during the industrial revolution we used to build everything in America and now we don't build anything in America.

Regarding your website at the link you provided, Americans are largely Constitutionally ignorant. Yes there are those of us who study it extensively and read the Federalist Papers but I would guess that 95% of Americans don't know what is in the Constitution or what it means and don't care.

You are right that I am knowledgeable of the problem but you are wrong that the solution was easy. It took me months to create it and I have posted it here if you are interested:
http://www.theamericannationalist.com/

I called it The Nationalist Contract with America.

The policy proposals you will find at the link above include:

• Completely abolish all taxes and fees on businesses for political purposes more so than economic purposes. Yes it makes great economic sense for businesses to pay no taxes but the most important reason is political. If businesses don't pay taxes, they don't need to hire tax law lobbyists and lobby Congress for tax breaks. This combined with my other proposals to end crony capitalism and congressional conflict of interest in spending bills, eliminates the current relationship between businesses and government (i.e. influence) and returns the power over government back to the people where it belongs.

• Institute a single flat tax with NO deductions on ALL INDIVIDUALS (regardless of income) more for political reasons than economic. Doing these first two things eliminates the ability of liberals to force somebody else (e.g., the wealthy, corporations) to pay for the bigger government they want. It also unites ALL Americans behind low taxes and gives all people incentive to want smaller limited government because when government grows EVERYBODY will pay more taxes.

• End income inequality without government re-distribution of wealth by forcing businesses via legislation into mandatory equal treatment of all employees with regards to employee benefits and profit sharing. If there is a business case to eliminate employee pensions then executive pensions will also be eliminated. Mandatory profit sharing and other business reforms I propose to increase worker benefits and salary should be acceptable to businesses because they will no longer pay taxes. Instead of government taking taxes from corporations and distributing the money to the people via government assistance (after government takes a cut of the money) the corporations shall give the money directly to their American citizen employees. Employees have incentive to innovate and perform well because they share in the increased profits.

• Return previously delegated (to the executive branch) Article I Section 8 constitutionally REQUIRED duties back to Congress by ending executive branch appointments of department heads of government agencies and put the agencies under the direct control of the congressional committees in charge of the subject. This would be similar to local government control that uses Board of Supervisors with a county executive that executes the orders of the Supervisors. Doing this gives Congress back the power to do something about the IRS and VA scandals instead of being powerless as they are currently. Because Congress will no longer have to debate tax law (no more corporate tax breaks, no more individual tax deductions), Congress will have the time needed to get back to performing their constitutionally required duties specified in Article I Section 8 of the Constitution.

 

The globalist are stateless, internationalist. They hold no loyalty to one country.

President's Carter, G.H. Bush and Bill Clinton are members of the Trilateral Commission.

The Obama White House has the largest number of Trilateral Commission advisers in the Obama White House than any other past President.

Barack Obama appointed eleven members of the Trilateral Commission to top-level and key positions in his administration within his first ten days in office. This represents a very narrow source of international leadership inside the Obama administration, with a core agenda that is not necessarily in support of working people in the United States.

Hillary Clinton attended the Bilderberg Group meeting.

The last thing the globalist want to see is Donald Trump in the White House. Globalism can't succeed if America becomes great again.

So in November you have only two choices, globalism or nationalism.

 

You seem to be confusing economic globalization with non economic globalization. Having the world connected, people from various societies via the internet, to build relationships is one thing, and very admirable, and that is new. But, the economic globalization has been around for a long time. This globalization is only about maxing out the profits of the elites, by being able to find workers who can be exploited for their labor. Labor costs have always been much of operating costs for business. If you can bottom those costs out, you of course max out your profits. So this is not new, but the degree to which it has occurred, thanks to what is called free trade(but is the tool for the exploitation of the poor) has increased exponentially.

When this happens, you literally devastate the population of the nation which allows the offshoring of these jobs, and its job creation engine. And that is why we have this odd election cycle, sanders and trump, in a reaction, created by the economic suffering of americans, due to globalization.

Seriously, it this is not reversed, you will see more social problems in the US, than can be afforded. For this devastation of the working American, the average guy, who will never be a doctor, lawyer, or other highly educated professions, will create insolvable problems, which we are already seeing to appear. It has driven up debt to untenable levels, it has left almost 100 million americans who will never have a living wage job, it has increased the numbers in poverty, as social safety nets were gutted, and killed the American dream. It has affect us in so many ways, like college grads having to live with their parents and will not marry early as we once did, having kids, raising families.

So there is social globalization which is great, and economic globalization which is nothing more than an elite scheme, to create greater disparity in income. Anyone who looks at this rationally, and what it has done to towns and cities all over this nation, could not say globalization has served the people of this nation, for their lives are not better, but many are worse. But it has enriched the elites to the max, which is what it was intended to do.

It is a cancer upon American society, and it has to be stopped, and reversed. Or we will implode us as an empire. We are in that process right now, and it is only gonna get worse unless globalization is reversed, and the scheme thrown in the garbage where it belongs. We have to move back to seeing our economy not as a device to max out the profits of the rich elites, but as a device to provide living wage jobs for our own people. The change in philosophy in regards to this, happened with the election of Reagan. The Gilded Age economic philosophy was brought back, and it has done to America the same thing it did to us back then. But this is even worse, for the jobs that would have brought back prosperity for americans were shipped offshore, so that we no longer had the economic base to put these people back to work with living wages jobs after the 08 crash.

 

Thanks for that info. I don't know much about that commission but you can bet that is going to change.

 

Damn that is a great line. I hope you don't mind if I use that one.