Glocks and Nazi memorabilia: I'd get in trouble at home for what I saw at a US gun show

...in your opinion. I'm certain there are at least 80 million Americans who agree with me.

 

So less than 1/3 agrees with you.


lol

 

First, the comment was "at least".

Second, how many agree with you? How many disagree with me or you? All are questions that need to be answered and I strongly doubt you have the answers.

 

How about you go source your claim first.

 

Why? What percentage chance would it have to change your mind?

 

So far you're just trolling and not able to refute the gun problem.

 

Then you should ignore me.

FWIW, I'm certain honest, sane people can easily see the difference between us.

 

A half million people are killed and injured annually due to texting while driving. Thousands more are killed or injured due to texting while walking. This is far more dangerous than guns. It is only a matter of time until the left wants them gone too.

 

Just pointing out you're not refuting the gun problem. I noted this before when I called you tossing in a red herring.

 

How does restricting guns punish people? Does it put them in jail, take their money, break their bones what?

 

t's like with the kids when you take away their beloved toy as a parent because it can endanger others ...

 

I'm content to let others decide which of us is the most honest and which is the least honest.

 

It restricts choice of free, honest and law abiding citizens. Does denying gay marriage "put them in jail, take their money, break their bones"? Does banning abortion "put them in jail, take their money, break their bones"? Does banning pot "put them in jail, take their money, break their bones"?

 

And every day in the US about 13,000 people are attacked by a dog, so what's your point.

 

OP, no, young people are hell bent on tuning America into Mexico or Nigeria, confiscating the guns, being doped up 24/7 and promoting homosexuality as wholesome as apple pie. That is America's future.

But really, down the road we will eventually be swallowed up by aggressive super power. The old ways led to independence, the new ways will lead to destruction of our country.

 

"Inference" & "implication" are subjective terms.
Could you please cite a specific example in which a 2nd Amendment supporter has advocated "arming madmen to the teeth"?

Yes, the proliferation of firearms in the US makes banning them as futile as banning illegal drugs or alcohol, however, human beings have found ways to kill each other just as successfully before the invention of firearms.

I do not deny the lethality of an AK-47 or AR-15 in trained hands but the most extensive, single massacre in recent times was not committed with any firearm but a simple plastic container and $1.00 worth of gasoline(1)

My point is that a determined killer will manage to kill regardless of the tools he uses to do so.

Re:

This is perhaps the 3rd time I've heard that spurious assertion. No, I do not think we should abolish all laws but simply enforce the existing laws more effectively. At the core of America's violent crime problem is, of course, untreated violence in society.

I fully believe that America's violent crime problem could best be addressed by:

1. Enforcing existing laws against violent crimes more strenuously. We already have laws against bank robbery, murder & rape but they are not enforced widely or severely enough.

2. Making Mental Health treatment in the US more readily accessible and affordable.

America has a violence problem not a "gun problem" and until we can begin mitigating America's violence problem, people will continue to kill each other via knives, home-made bombs(2), Molotov cocktails, vehicles, poison, homemade bio/chem weaponry.

It is, I believe, noteworthy that the killer at the "Happy Land" fire had only one target. If he had a firearm, only that one person would have died. Instead, 87 were killed by his crude WMD.

My point is that determined killers will & can kill a great number of people with or without AK-47s, AR-15s etc and possibly more will die if determined mass killers are compelled to make & use crude WMDs.


(1) "Happy Land fire"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire

EXCERPT "González went to an Amoco gas station, then returned to the establishment with a plastic container with $1 worth of gasoline. He spread the fuel at the base of a staircase, the only access into the club, and then ignited the gasoline.
Eighty-seven people died in the resulting fire."CONTINUED


(2) "The 1927 Bombing That Remains America’s Deadliest School Massacre"
"Ninety years ago, a school in Bath, Michigan was rigged with explosives in a brutal act that stunned the town"

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/hist...chool-massacre-180963355/#KSipwm4IUrIbB9uc.99

 

I really wish people would source their claims particularly non US citizens whos opinions are made up out of thin air who for some reason love criticizing my country. The result of false numbers without credible sources is other posters accept these numbers as fact then down the rabbit hole the discussion goes. Not a single number quoted is correct.

Every single person in this thread who gives a damn about gun violence or wrongful death should read my study performed by WHO in 2000...a very violent year. A three year study with a stated zero opinion on gun legislation.

I promise its a good and unbiased analysis of world wide violence and gun violence. The human race is currently a very angry and violent species and once again I point to cultural and ecomomic ( including education ) woes being at the root. Not guns. Blaming guns is a cop out for people in denial.

The report said an estimated 520,000 people were murdered in 2000 — excluding unlawful deaths disguised as accidents or natural causes. For every person who died, 20-40 others were hospitalized with injuries.

The death toll included 199,000 people aged 10-29 who were killed by other young people — often because of alcohol and drug abuse or easy access to firearms

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/a-murder-a-minute/

 

Almost every pharm product lists "Thoughts of suicide" as a side effect and people think guns are to blame. I notice that these stats conveniently leave out law enforcement. If guns are to blame, we must disarm law enforcement, right?

 

Sad. Even sadder that it could actually become true.
Which German would have thought at the height of Social-Nationalism that in a very short time Germany would be utterly destroyed, its women raped and ravaged, the children lost and starved, its beautiful cities turned into smoking rubble?
It can happen to the Americans, too. And it is not through the hand of a higher power, no, it is humans themselves in their blind greed and lust for power to cut their fellow companions' throats.
Amerika once was the land of the free... it was the land of unlimited opportunities... anybody could become a millionaire.
Today they make barely enough to feed themselves; they subside on food stamps; they spy and rat on each other; they kill themselves en masse; they destroy one small country after the other; they loot and rape and rob; they lie in bed with terrorists; their morals went down the toilet.
What happened? When I visit, I find the people friendly and helpful. It seems their leaders got replaced with puppets by a foreign entity. Their elite, their government, the rich people of influence are wreaking havoc and are destroying the noble intentions and aspirations of the founders of this great Land of the "Free"!!
Don't cry for me, Argentina, no, cry for America!!!
I know you are not dumb and blind... you are trapped! (and brainwashed!)
Don't blame the youth... they are only your reflection in the mirror. YOU raised them with your own example.

 

I will read your report and come back later.

 

Don't worry, I understand you. You are in denial that something is seriously wrong in your society.

 

You're refuting,... but it's not founded on an argument. All you got is a baseless opinion.

 

For every gun used to commit a murder in the US yesterday, 16,000,000 were not.
This negates whatever point you thought you made.

 

- 2/3 of these Americans choose to die.
- For every gun used to commit suicide in the US, at least 3 are used in self defense.
- For every gun used to commit murder in the US, eat least 8 are used in self0defense.
This negates whatever point you thought you made.

 

I own a handful of guns. I have no ambition to start shooting anybody. Law-abiding people with guns are as peaceful as law-abiding people without guns.