God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land, Hebrew and Arabic.

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Will you read God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land?"

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My apologies if I really messed this up..........
    and I have to admit that I just drank three Labbatt's Blue in less time than I probably should have but........

    ... even though I am a bit inebriated I felt I should write the following e-mail to my local M. P.:

    Relevant note... I am not so "inebriated" that I cannot use spell check on the forum for such terms as that and for the word "Quantitative!"
     
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    What makes you think G-d wants peace in the Middle East? Through the conflict
    the nation of Israel has grown and prospered. And it was conflict that led to the
    creation of Israel in the first place. Don't assume G-d always wants peace - some
    times G-d is a G-d of war.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Good question.... I believe that we are moving rapidly into the Era of Moshiach and the very nature of warfare itself
    will be dramatically altered.


    https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/isa/2/4/s_681004

    With seven hundred and ten TRILLION dollars in the worldwide Derivatives markets.... and
    two hundred and ten TRILLION dollars in the USA Derivatives markets as of 2014......
    it seems to me as if the whole world is facing an astonishingly important choice in the direction
    that we want the whole world to go in........

    JUBILEE..... in some form is needed in ECONOMICS at this critical time ..... and Jerusalem is the most logical
    city on earth for this concept of Jubilee to be understood and applied...... so that it can spread to
    all other nations.......

    Can Israel pull the entire world economy out of a possible Bear Market, another 1929?
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I sent your reply off to Bob from Delaware and he replied:

     
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    I don't see Israel having peace. Just Ezekiel 38.39 shows there's terrible battles yet to come.
    And Israel isn't going to pull the world out of recession - it's just too small.
     
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    The solution to this problem is very simple. Just ban everyone from living in the Palestinian area. The Jews can return to the US and Europe. The Palestinians can go to the surrounding arabic countries. Perhaps use this area for wind farms or nuclear tests instead. Problem solved.
     
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    But then you have a New Problem - policing your policy.
     
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    "Palestinians" can return to their homeland - Jordan.
     
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    Good points...... logical..... but what if the Mantle of Elijah has fallen on either near death experiencer Rabbi Alon Anava and / or Orthodox Jewish historian Yair Davidiy.... .and what if their outreach to the Gentiles...... has lured in an Ephrayimite ( or more likely seven or eight of them).... who for Halachic purposes appear to be mere Gentiles ... (Rabbi Pinchas Winston wrote about that possibility a couple of decades ago) ....... with a plan to convince seventy nations to build TWO temples in Israel at zero cost to the Orthodox Jews and Levities...... that could remind the world of Isaiah chapter forty five..........

    .... and..... a saying could soon be used in Israel.... "This looks like a job of Moshiach ben Ephrayim!"


    Please analyze WHY Rabbi Alon Anava decided to come back from his second near death experience..... basically it is because he really, really, really, really loves his wife and kids and his students and he is deeply concerned for the future of all eight million Israelis and all Jews and Gentiles in all the earth.

    My guess would be that Rabbi Alon Anava could well have the soul of an ancient Patriarch who could even be a grandfather to Noah..... and thus to all eight billion of us.



    Rabbi Anava's miraculous recovery back to life - More details will follow in the next video

    This is going to sound strange to you Poobear but.....
    the nation of Israel ... under these extreme set of circumstances.... seems to me to need to encourage more and more and more and more Latter day Saint tourism to Israel...... and a series of films set in an alternate universe twenty twelve to twenty twenty would be one possible option!

    The White Horse President prophecy and saving the USA constitution and dollar.


     
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    Near death experiencer Dannion Brinkley in 1975 was shown events in a possible future where Israel and Jordan came to some sort of win - win - win agreement.

    Near death experiencer shown peace deal between Jordan and Israel is coming.

    My personal belief is that what he saw had already taken place in another time line and we are now writing a whole new and I believe vastly better script and series of scenes than what he had been shown.... but basically.... yes..... an agreement between Israel and Jordan can play a massive role in bringing peace to the Holy Land.

    I have the impression that Israel donated solar desalination technology to Norway so that Norwegian scientists and political leaders could pass that technology on to the Islamic world and significant progress has already been made with that investment in Tikkun Olam.

    https://www.saharaforestproject.com/
     
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    I've read an impressive website on plans for an Ezekiel chapter forty to forty eight temple complex and let's face it...... the fulfillment of Ezekiel chapter forty seven sure sounds good at this time..... (literally and / or metaphorically)!

    https://galgal.dreamwidth.org/tag/third+temple

    Those waters flowing from an Ezekiel style temple complex would significantly improve life for Jordanians, Palestinians and Israelis.


    https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/eze/47/1/s_849001

    https://galgal.dreamwidth.org/tag/temple


     
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    I sent this one off also to Bob from Delaware and he replied:

     
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    Two points - Israel IS too small. I would like to walk across Israel at its narrowest point one
    day - try and do it in a few hours if I can. Compare that to Russia.
    Living safely is relative. Ezekiel says the Jews will live in cities "without walls" and that's true.
    There's a wall around Israel - in parts its literal, like Gaza. But these walls or borders keep
    Israel safe WITHIN.
    The Ezekiel prophecy is for ALL Jews, I think it says "all of them." There's 18 million Jews
    in the world, "all of them" would mean the ramping up of antisemitism in the West - otherwise
    most Jews would prefer to live elsewhere.
     
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    In response to Poohbear:
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    First, the name “Jewish” does not apply to a race, although some people might claim it does. But, if one wants to make
    it racial, then it would have to be limited only to those of the tribe of Judah. Otherwise, we’re talking about the Israelites,
    all thirteen tribes, which includes Ephraim and Manasseh, i.e., Palestinians. If we’re talking about the tribe “Judah” as
    meaning all Jews, then such a limited definition would mean only Judah’s inheritance in the Holy Land was meant for all Jews.
    This clearly is not the case. Otherwise, all Jews should move to the area reserved for the tribe of Judah, which would mean
    abandoning every bit of land in Galilee, Tel Aviv and the coastal regions, and Jerusalem, too. No, the term “Jew” relates to
    a people who follow a religion called Judaism, which includes in part the belief in a Higher Intelligence/Creator, i.e., “G-d”.
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    Once one acknowledges the Presence of G-d, it’s highly illogical to make the argument that Israel is too small for anything.
    The Tanach is chock full of instances in which G-d proves the Almighty’s presence deliberately through a small people.
    Your argument makes sense only if you’re coming from an atheist perspective. Are you?
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    If Israel was living in safety, there’d be no need for missile alert systems, no sirens, Israeli troops would not be targets of
    Palestinian car attacks, and on and on and on. Having a hostile Hezbollah sitting in Lebanon with thousands of missiles waiting
    to shower down on northern Israel isn’t safe. You know it and anyone else who reads this knows it. Go ahead and say Israelis
    are safe behind the Wall if you want. But, for the sake of argument, let’s say that you’re right about safety. However, the prophecy
    also requires these “safe” people be unsuspecting. That surely isn’t true today; Israel’s external defense systems are ironclad
    proof that Israel suspects its neighbors, while internally many, if not most, Israeli Jews are suspicious of Palestinians who work
    on Israel’s side of the Wall.
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    What about the future? Could these unsuspecting people living in safety be from the future as you appear to suggest?
    According to your scenario 18 million Jews (according to your definition of “Jew”) have all migrated to Israel. Since this is not
    the case today, your scenario must be in the future. You go on to add this “would mean the ramping up of antisemitism in the West –
    otherwise most Jews would prefer to live elsewhere.” I agree with you on that. But, that also means that all these countries that
    were so anti-Semitic that Jews left them would have now joined with all those anti-Semitic countries that already existed, i.e.,
    the entire world would be against Israel. Under this condition, Israeli Jews would be permanently suspicious of every other nation,
    while the prophecy requires they be “unsuspecting”. In other words, your theory doesn’t fit the prophecy.
     
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    "Jew" can be genetic or conversion. Converts stay "Jews" on average about three generations.
    Orthodox and genetic Jews stay Jews forever.
    Jew is a term employed broadly to cover all the Semitic people who were a part of the united
    monarchy under Solomon. We can be technical about what is a "gun" or a "boat" etc. but let's not.
     
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    On the whole, Israelis live in safety. There are no walls around their cities. This would have amazed Bronze
    and Iron Age Jews. No marauders, no Amalekites, no Egyptians or Assyrian armies, no Greek or Roman
    attacks ---- that kind of thing.
     
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    I appreciate your willingness to play Devil's Advocate in this discussion, Poohbear. I've made some points to which you've made your rebuttal.
    I've responded to these, and now you responded to my response. No point in beating a dead horse so they say. So, unless you want to take
    a new tack or cover a different issue, I'm content to rest my case and let whoever else reads this come to their own conclusion.
    In the immortal words of Spock, "Live long and prosper."
     
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    Sorry, Poohbear. I was a bit hasty in resting my case.
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    I see that your definition of the term "Jew" includes "all the Semitic people who were a part of the united monarchy under Solomon.".
    Great! So, you've included Ephraim & Manasseh as being "genetic" Jews. As chapter 2 of the peace plan proves, those two tribes
    are part of the genetic mix of Palestinians. Including all Palestinian refugees to your count of 18 million Jews worldwide, and the
    number is even higher. As for the Arab component, G-d has this to say thru the prophet Ezekiel:
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    Ezekiel 47:21-23;
    21 “You are to distribute this land among yourselves according to the tribes of Israel.
    22 You are to allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the foreigners residing among you and who have children.
    You are to consider them as native-born Israelites;
    along with you they are to be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel.
    23 In whatever tribe a foreigner resides, there you are to give them their inheritance,” declares the Sovereign Lord."
    .
    You went on to say, "On the whole, Israelis live in safety. There are no walls around their cities."
    .
    What you wrote is patently untrue. Anyone who wishes to see proof of this need only check out the following link...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier
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    Just take a look at some of those maps! Walls and Gates are a defining feature of modern-day Israel.
    Arguing that point is well, pointless.
    .
    And now I do rest my case, unless you wish to bring up some new issues.
     
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    Israel lives, for the most part, in 'cities without walls.' That's all.
    Jews are of the 12 tribes.
     
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    What do you personally think of the Tsvi Misinai research that shows a genetic link between Jews and Palestinians?

    What happens to you emotionally as you read the evidence that the possibly four hundred thousand Messianic Jews of the Bar Kochba and Rabbi Akiva time period....... within a thousand years may have been forcibly converted to Islam, Christianity or to the religion of Atheism since 1917 when a Pandora's Box was opened up in Russia that spread to China and the world's Communist nations?
     
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    But.... it is as fact that the world economy could descend into another nineteen twenty nine as a result of this COVID 19 pandemic combined with the less than truly honest response to it that the world has came up with so far.

    One of the reasons why I am so intent on promoting the option of the rebuilding of at least one if not two or perhaps even three Jewish temples in Jerusalem.... is because an online buddy of mind wrote an article on this topic that was very politically incorrect.... but seemed logical to me:

    Carl Cantrell on the many reasons to support rebuilding of Jerusalem Third Temple.


    (I am biased toward Carl's theories because I really felt that his article that I used in our collaboration for the Virgin Earth Challenge back in 2007 has a lot of potential)!


    My two somewhat humorous submissions for $25 million Virgin Earth Challenge.


    Well this is neat..... I just noticed that my and Carl's submission did get quoted by Orthodox Jewish scholar and historian Mr. Yair Davidiy:

    https://www.britam.org/Ephraimite/EF68.html

    Ephraimite Forum-Holocaust:
    Involvement of Wehrmacht and German Civilians in "Final Solution"
    2. Dennis Tate:
    To Combat Global Warming: Need More Trees and Desalinated water in Dead Sea Region!
    3. Archaeology: Brit-Am Version of Explorator 11.11
     
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    Having given this question more thought.... I have to admit that you are far closer the truth on this than most of us spiritually inclined people may well tend to imagine. I believe that now in 2020 we humans have access to a calibre of simple and direct teachings from our Creator the G-d of Abraham - HaShem that has never been so widely available ever before in history, (with the possible exception of before the flood of the time of Noah when medical technology may well have been far beyond even what we have today.... partly due to brilliant people of that time period living several centuries.)

    I am of the belief that there is a hidden level of HUMOUR in all truly inspired writings where a human was doing their best to record what they were shown during an experience that many times may actually have been like a near death experience.

    One of the characteristics of HaShem that we humans terribly misunderstand... is the humour of
    our Creator.... I personally did not really catch onto "God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land" until I read his other book "The Way of Holiness and the Sacred Hoop" that is basically summarized in the near death experience of Black Elk.

    Near-Death Experiences and Native Americans


    [​IMG]


    P. M. Benjamin Netanyahu, let's get into the production of....





    Artistic Hollywood style "Armageddon" could bring world out of recession?!

    One of the characteristics of the G-d of Abraham / HaShem that may appear rather warlike and adversarial to us humans... is the HUMOUR of our Creator! HaShem's sense of humour has quite a sharp edge to it and to some degree..... all of us are cut and humbled by the HUMOUR of HaShem....... here is what one near death experiencer wrote that really made me think about the Gilgul cycle as explained by many Orthodox and Chassidic Jewish scholars:

    Christian Andreason, chapter five...
    Now that we humans are confronting powerful evidence for the Gilgul cycle..... we should feel somewhat forced toward dong warfare far differently than in the past centuries and millennia.
     
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    By now there should be around 250 million Jews, going on their population "back then" when China
    only had about 15 - 20 million people. But the bible says the Jews will be few in number - and a big
    part of why is migration and conversion to other religions. And sure, even if Jews hadn't converted,
    they are still closely related to Arabs - both are Semites.
     
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    Amos 9:9 "For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all the nations, like as grain is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least kernel fall upon the earth."


    http://www.drbo.org/chapter/26048.htm

    "Who broughtest down kings to destruction, and brokest easily their power in pieces, and the glorious from their bed. [7] Who heardest judgment in Sina, and in Horeb the judgments of vengeance. [8] Who anointedst kings to penance, and madest prophets successors after thee. [9] Who wast taken up in a whirlwind of fire, in a chariot of fiery horses. [10] Who art registered in the judgments of times to appease the wrath of the Lord, to reconcile the heart of the father to the son, and to restore the tribes of Jacob."

    Jeremiah 31:34 "And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know Jehovah; for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith Jehovah: for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin will I remember no more.

    Thus saith Jehovah, who giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, who stirreth up the sea, so that the waves thereof roar; Jehovah of hosts is his name:

    If these ordinances depart from before me, saith Jehovah, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

    Thus saith Jehovah: If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, then will I also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith Jehovah.
    "
     
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    I think Leonid Brezhnev had the right plan.
     
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