God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land... this booklet is brilliant!

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yesterday the internet wasn't working properly so I began to read a booklet for the third time......… and frankly..... this writing is BRILLIANT!



    http://www.godspeaceplan.org/user/image/gods-peace-plan-for-the-holy-land.pdf
     
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    The author is in my opinion correct that there is far better case presented for peace in both the Jewish Bible as well as in the Koran and in the Christian Bible than we tend to imagine.

     
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    How can a text written by a man....be a peace plan written by God?

    And, since both the Bible and Qu'ran explain different version of this "God"....isn't it a bit strange to use the opposing texts to formulate a new one?
     
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    What is your "god" waiting for? If he had a decent "plan" in the first place a lot less people would've suffered and been killed ...
     
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    Perhaps he has a quota to fill...these things take time.
     
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    ....and..... "god works in mysterious ways"......;) Which means that all thinking, logic and reason come to a Full Stop.
     
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    Remember a second is like unto an eternity to an android.
     
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    Back in 1993 the author had what he is certain was an out of the body experience and was shown information that he knows that he would never be able to put together himself.

    Plus... the document quotes passages from the Koran, the Jewish Bible and the Christian Bible that in his opinion...… lay the foundation for real peace in the Middle East.
     
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    The best explanation that I can think of at this time is that time itself is not limited to being linear but instead any moment in what we think of as the past can be replicated..... in its entirety .... along with all of us who lived during that moment....... Then an entirely new time line can be spun off that is vastly less violent.... much more peaceful..... where we play out a very new angle on the role that we have been given..... That is my conclusion from the massive studies began by Helen Wambach Ph. D. and completed by Dr. Chet Snow.


    Of course.... I could be wrong... but I read both of Helen Wambach Ph. D.'s books back in the '90's and I was so impressed that I got myself kicked out of two churches??!!


    http://www.carolmoore.net/articles/helenwambach.html

     
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    Yes.... there is a lot of insight in that statement!

    Much like the crew of the U. S. S. Enterprise............. G-d gives people and cultures astonishing freedom to make mistakes........ even horrible ones..... and to learn from those horrible errors!
     
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    So the author is claiming to be a Prophet?
     
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    From our perspective it sure does seem that way........ but what if the 3000 victims of the terrorist attack on the TWin Towers back between September 11, 2001 to September 13, 2001 did in fact form into something like a massive hand................?????!!!!! (This was reported by three time near death experiencer Dr. P. M. H. Atwater)!

    In my opinion..... if Dr. Atwater is a con artist...… she deserves an Academy Award for her ability as an actress??!!!!


    http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...ul-wave-formed-september-11-13-2001-i-do.html



    Do you believe a "Soul Wave" formed September 11- 13, 2001? I do!



    Dr. Atwater apparently had three near death experiences in 1977 and by 2001 was pretty good at controlling the out of the body state. Some amazing psychological studies were done on Ingo Swann who also could control the OBE!




    (Dr. P. M. H. Atwater)
     
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    .. and in a way we humans…… could be compared with the androids that we may soon invent……. who are so powerful that we may need to develop some sort of hologram/ game environment where these androids could be tested for their levels of altruism/ patience/ kindness/ wisdom…. or some sort of characteristics along that line….. Here is the opening paragraph from the booklet:
     
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    An out of the body experience differs considerably from a near death experience.

    I personally have concluded that a near death experience that involves a life review puts somebody into the same general league with the prophet Moses who spoke with G-d face to face as a man talks to his friend.

    An OBE is much more common place and can be induced in many different ways. Ingo Swann was so adept at controlled OBE that he could be given latitude and longitude coordinates with any location on earth and he could draw an amazingly realistic picture of the location.
     
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    I personally am so impressed by this as well as his other writing…."The Way of Holiness and the Sacred Hoop" that I personally believe that this man probably meets at least some of the criteria that would qualify somebody as a "prophet" but… Yeshua/ Jesus stated that an era was coming when the LEAST Christian would have attained a greater level of consciousness than that of John the Baptist who he stated had fulfilled the role of Elijah at that time!

    I assume it is at that same time that the most FEEBLE resident of Jerusalem would be comparable to King David!

    Zechariah 12:8
    "In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them."
     
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    Yet the Bible (a book of words of Prophets) also says that no one shall add to it after Revelation.
     
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    Good point!

    Just as the U. S. A. Constitution is a document that has an effect on how most Americans behave regarding some ethical issues……. The Koran is much like a Constitution for Muslims…. The Jewish Bible is something of a Constitution for Jews…..and both the Jewish as well as the Christian Bible are something of a Constitution for Christians.

    The Sacred Writings of all three groups of people are in a sense like a document that each group of people is to be "judged" by when they appear before the G-d of Abraham/ The Word/ Logos who has promised to meet with each and every one of us after we die.


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    http://www.drbo.org/chapter/30006.htm

    I am of the belief at this time that the "life review" that many near death experiences report is the fulfillment of this promise from the Catholic Bible, (Baruch 6:6)
     
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    Well, it worked for the Christians. The gods of the old and new testaments are pretty different to one another, which is understandable given the different original religious traditions and inspirations that went into each. The Christ myth brought a new solar deity akin to Mithra (one popular with the Roman military, apparently) and many others who were popular around that time and place into a form that could kinda sorta jibe with Jewish tradition, albeit with a radical reinterpretation of the Jewish messianic promise, an old notion of having a king establish a Jewish kingdom in Israel (something the Jews still believe in today, and which Zionists even managed to realise with Western assistance in modern-day Palestine), and of course some other radically different ideas.

    I guess these Muslim and Jewish dunderheads need a new prophet and a new testament. Thing is, though, that's a lot harder to pull off in the modern age..
     
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    so much freedom, in fact, that it's as though he doesn't exist!
     
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    The "god" of the Bible is just Reality, unfolding every second into a stream of truth which is available to each of us.

    The Reality is that Islam is warring with muslim against muslim while Christianity has broken down into 12 major mainstream denominational camps of slightly different beliefs.
    All that is needed now is for all Jews to see Christ as their promised Elijah, returned to do the miracles he was expected to do in 32AD.

    This universal Jewish insight and conversion to Jesus and the New Testament story is all that will be needed to bring all religious groups together as they consider the fulfillment of the Bible prophecies for a new Jerusalem.
     
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    Ah...the amazing anility of the human mind to create reality to it's liking. Subjective truth from objective data...on demand.
     
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    ... and this next verse is very important today...

    9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

    But in verse 4, scripture suggests the change to which I have referred about Christ = Elijah and how the Jewish blindness will be universally corrected:

    Zech 12:4 In that day, saith the Lord, I will smite every horse, (philosophical outlook), with astonishment, (as people recognize 1 Kings describes the same things as Jesus did), and his rider, (the various leaders and priests everywhere), with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, (which is reference to modern Israel), and will smite every horse of the people, (the Rabbi especially), with blindness.
     
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    Maybe,...
    Maybe its just me, being subjective and having no evidence for the things I write here.

    But how do you, with great excellence, objectively explain the FACTS of what 1 Kings says and the Gospels, themselves, say?????



    They both did the same miracles, which was traditionally supposed to identify Elijah when would come back.

    Both Elijah and Jesus raised the dead

    Both Elijah and Jesus were immortal.

    Both Elijah and Jesus disappeared from the foot of a mountain.

    Both Elijah and Jesus ascended into Heaven before witnesses.

    Both Elijah and Jesus troubled Israel.

    Both Elijah and Jesus were hunted down by the Jewish authorities.

    Both Elijah and Jesus hid in a cave/tomb.

    Both Elijah and Jesus pondered in the wilderness 40 days.

    Both Elijah and Jesus walked on the water.

    Both wrote letters to people on Earth after they had ascended.

    Both appointed a successor, Elisha by Elijah, and Peter, by Christ.

    Both were hunted by the Jewish authorities

    Both gave a successor the power to raise the dead

    Both gave a successor a symbolic authority, the cloak to one, the keys to the other.

    Both asked that the this "cup" be taken from them.

    Both are said to have had miraculous births.

    Both multiplied the meal for many people they feed in the crowd

    Both destroyed the pagan worshippers and priests, one Baal, the other, the Pantheon of Rome.

    Both were promised faithfulness three times, Elisha in the former and Peter, in the latter.
     
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    Remember, words in the Bible don't really mean what you think they mean or what everybody else thinks they mean either....


    they mean what Cupid Dave says they mean. So "horses" "really means" "philosophical outlook".....not actual horses.

    My grandmother's church had the same ability. The "wine" that Jesus created at the wedding in Canaa....was "really Welch's Grape Juice!!!!!" :)

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    Hmmm,...
    I used the Symbolic Dictionary for this reasoning about horses.
    It makes sense to me that they also have a rider on them, one who can dictate the philosophy to others.

    But the evidence for using this term is that I use it elsewhere, whenever the same symbolism is set into motion.

    For instance, the four horses represent the symbolism for the four Social Group philosophies or outlooks in Rev 6:


    Rev. 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse (OF FOREIGN COLONIALISM, FOLLOWED BY INDEPENDENCE AND STAGNATION): and his name, (SHARIA), that sat on him, (BACKWARDNESS), was Death, (THEOCRATIC OPPRESSION), and Hell (IN WORLD WIDE TERRORISM) followed with him, (FUNDAMENTALIST ISLAM).

    And (RELIGIOUS) power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, (the Middle East), to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the (FOUR) beasts, (the chariots of Social Force, the Four Social Groups) of the earth.

    Sharia is the Law, a part of the Integrated Group, and related to the present political situation we are observing here.
     

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