Good Ole Joe Biden Is Pro-Worker

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  1. Jiminy

    Jiminy Well-Known Member

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    Unlike the Worst President Ever Donnie, the plutocratic socialist, Good Ole Joe Biden is pro-worker. While Plutocratic Socialist Donnie was first-in-line to hire undocumented workers, have his products made in his beloved Communist China, and fight for low wages in the USA USA USA. Good Ole Joe wants to help Americans achieve the great American dream of having a living wage.
    President Biden:
    Workers in Alabama – and all across America – are voting on whether to organize a union in their workplace. It’s a vitally important choice – one that should be made without intimidation or threats by employers. Every worker should have a free and fair choice to join a union.
    https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1366191901196644354?
     
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    Anyone working full time should be entitled to a reasonable living wage.
     
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    And there in lies the problem with putting the Globalist / Progressive Elites back in power.

    Those who are marginally getting by will once again be swamped by the new Biden and Harris regulations and taxes.

    Meanwhile, the Socialist agenda in the US is being ignored while the slave labor in China is being restored to full production.


    Bernie and Warren are both frauds who are also doing the bidding of the Globalists while still claiming to be pro Socialist.
     
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    There's two types of people that want to raise the minimum wage. Landlords, and minimum wage workers that don't understand why rent is so expensive.
     
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    SO.... you believe in equal rights for all? Don't you? Or just for some?
     
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    Clearly, freedom-hating social and economic conservatives reject the basic American principles of liberty and justice for all, as well as promoting the general welfare.
     
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    Joe Biden killed jobs day 1 and wants to remove all forms of natural gas and energy.

    He is far from being for the blue collar worker.
     
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    It has to be a wage the company can afford. Why?

    1. The company shuts down and you lose your job.

    2. The company hires less people and gives you the work of 3-4 people.

    3. Raising the minimum wage at burger king means the cost of burgers will go up thus you pay more.

    Small bussinesses were never a priority to Democrats. Remember the hair salon owner in California? Nancy gave her a slap in the face after Democrats shut down bussinesses for like months to a year.
     
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    And unskilled workers who are worth far less than a living wage to small business employers should have their entry level wages subsidized by every level of government.
     
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    Apparently they make up 64% of the population!
     
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    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lol, that actually sounds like around the right numbers to me. I could be way off, lol.
     
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    Is that supposed to be an answer to the question about your supporting equal rights or not?
    It sounds like a NO. Sounds like you believe equal rights is agreeing with you, and that liberty and justice exists only in an environment that benefits you- without concern for those you disagree with.

    You want to be able to join a union. Thus, you want to have the power to force your employer to meet your demands, or shut them down if they do not. Note that this would be a criminal conspiracy if done outside the legal prerogatives that we give to unions.

    Still if we are going to have justice for all, then we must grant those employers equal rights, to unionize, fix prices, to join together and force you to meet their demands, and have the power to shut you out of a job just as the unions can shut them out of business. Good for the goose- good for the gander.

    The failure to use the same values consistently, whether they benefit you or not, is called hypocrisy. It has nothing to do with "Liberty and justice for all", instead- liberty and justice for some.
    Actually using consistent values is called "integrity". It's simple to demonstrate the differences in integrity and hypocrisy.

    How many times have you been late to work, or wasted time you were paid to working?
    Now- How many times has your employer paid you late, or arbitrarily paid you less than what was due under the agreement for wages?

    If you are never late, never short your employer- good for you. That would mean you are providing the value you are receiving compensation for, and both you and your employer are respecting each other.

    HOWEVER- If you are late to work and think your employer should forgive that, should cut you slack for your various personal problems but still pay you the same- YOU are screwing him.
    YOU are the one failing to hold up your end of the deal.

    Now the number of times employees short their employers is easily a thousand times more frequent than occurrences of employers shorting the employee. Easily.
    That's where your sense of justice lies- you think that the employer should share and compensate your problems and shortfalls in life, but you have zero interest in theirs.
    That's what is "fair", isn't it?
     
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    The cost of stuff goes up no matter what the min is.
     
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    So you want things to be the way they were before unions. Got it.
     
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    So you support wage theft by having workers socializing business costs. When one is anti-worker and anti-consumer, then one is also anti-business; people confuse being pro-rich with pro-business.
    Richest 1% of Americans Close to Surpassing Wealth of Middle Class
    • Historic low interest rates boosting riches of top households
    • Poorest have 35.7% of liabilities and just 6.1% of assets
    www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-..
     
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    What a pathetic attempt to rationalize economic and social injustice. Cut the BS and just admit that you believe in a caste system that benefits the few at the expense of the many as witnessed in all third-world countries, which includes all communist countries and non-communist countries.
     
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    What does a Union provide that is not already covered by law?
     
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    I support not putting millions out of jobs for a minimum wage increase over $10.

    The Democrats are most of the rich people you speak of.

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    No, you haven't gotten anything. I want the playing field to be fair- and as I've been an employer since the late 1960s and have had numerous conflicts with unions, I know something about how they work- and none of it is respectable. As an employee, you have the right to sell your services to anyone you want, at any price you wish and under any conditions you want. If you think you are worth $100 an hour, all you have to do is find a customer that agrees with you. Your employer is in that exact same situation- except the people buying his services are customers, not captives. They are treated with respect and appreciation for buying those services- not abuse and hostility. How long has it been since you asked your customer (the people buying your services) the same questions you hear every time you buy things- like, "Was everything satisfactory?" When's the last time you said thank you for your business?
    (Yes, you as an employee are in business too- to sell your services to a single customer... you just have a load of special advantages, privileges and perks your employer doesn't get) .

    YOU would be insulted if the people you gave your business treated you the way you probably treat your employer- and would never go back.

    Fair is fair. Treat others fair, you get treated fair. IF you are worth more than you are getting paid, there are always people willing to hire you into a better job. They do that with more money, more benefits, better conditions. It's good business to pay people what they are actually worth- but it's bad business to pay them when they aren't really on your team, when they bad-mouth you behind your back, and when they plot ways to control your business and milk it dry while they take no risk at all. If you think that is not what unions do- you aren't in a position to know, and I am, at least the ones in the industry I've been in.

    Good business builds teams, and that takes team players working in a partnership, where you win together- not an adversary relationship where they don't think they win unless the company loses. That is what unions do- and unfortunately, the way too many employees think. There are good jobs looking for good people all the time- and good people are hard to find and valuable . Half-assed ones are not.
     
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    Being Pro-union does not make you pro-worker.
     
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    Bargaining power. A contract.
     
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    Of course, that's claptrap and I think you know it. YOU have the same opportunities as anyone else in America.. You are free to start your own business, just as a vast number of those you hate have done- but you resent their success, and apparently think that their success should be shared with those who sat back and watched while someone else took all the risk and put out all the effort. THAT is where the BS is. You figure you are entitled to the harvest from someone else's garden.

    If you don't plant a garden- if you don't make a good plan and work it, position yourself for the future- you deserve to harvest just what you planted..... Nothing.
    No guarantees in life. Nobody owes you because they worked smart and you waited for something to fall in your lap. Being poor is only temporary unless you allow it to be otherwise, and all kinds of people are happy to share the secrets of success and happiness with you- but if you aren't willing to listen, willing to work hard and smart for it and follow advice- you have nobody but yourself to blame.
     
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    Those "contracts" are one-sided. I got tired of the BS the union kept throwing at me long ago- and I said "If and when you can guarantee that you will provide what I need in return for the contract to provide it- we will talk.". They never did, because they never could- and want no obligations to the employer- only from the employer to them. Any workman that needs a union to keep a job is probably not worth anything anyway.
     
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    So do you believe employers eat the increase or do they pass it along to the consumer?
     
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    So people are capable of saying 'I deserve more pay'? They aren't able to negotiate an employment contract?

    And for a Union, who will continue to be paid when they tell others not to work and not get paid, they provide nothing laws do not cover.

    Unions had a time when they were the protections, and then they were a good thing. Now, not so much, they are redundant, and an expensive redundancy at that.
     
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