Good Ole Joe Biden Is Pro-Worker

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  1. RodB

    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    I like this a lot. Unfortunately real life down to earth practicalities and realities don't compute with the left elite or the lefist masses. Biden talks about jobs with a living wage (whatever that is) for everyone. He worked as an apprentice lawyer fresh out of law school for a couple of years then spent the next 50 -odd years on the public dole (our money). What does he know about jobs and working?? Nothing.
     
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    Tell that to right-wing socialists. What part of trickle-down economics is confusing?
     
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    Jiminy Well-Known Member

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    Why should a deadbeat corporate welfare queen and grifter like the plutocratic socialist Donnie Trump be allowed to pay little or no federal income taxes? Funny, Beijing Donnie pays his federal income taxes in his beloved Communist China.
     
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    I always figured there are 4 g to good management, get good people, give them good training, get out of the way so they can do what you trained them to do and lastly if they prove that you shouldn't have hired them in the first place get rid of them.

    The last is important because if you don't get rid of slugs immediately they become contagious and infect everybody.
     
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    Unlike Plutocratic Socialist Donnie, Good Ole Joe didn't hire undocumented workers in the USA at the same time he preferred hiring Communist Chinese workers to manufacture his products in his beloved Communist China.

    As far as the pipeline:
    In the report, the agency wrote that 10,400 estimated positions would be for seasonal construction work lasting four to eight-month periods. Since the State Department defines "job" as "one position that is filled for 1 year," that would equate to approximately 3,900 jobs over a two-year period.
    In short: Most of the estimated jobs were temporary.
    The State Department forecasted that no more than 50 jobs, some of which could be located in Canada, would be required to maintain the pipeline. Thirty-five of them would be permanent, while 15 would be temporary contractors.
    https://www.statesman.com/story/new...executive-order-cancel-fact-check/6673822002/


    As fossil fuel jobs falter, renewables come to the rescue
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/renewable-energy-jobs-replacing-fossil-fuel-jobs-oil-wind/
     
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    I cannot steal from you that which you did not earn. It already belonged to some one else. Note the black middle class grew faster under Reagan than it did under anyone until Trump before covid.
     
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    That is right, right-wing socialists didn't earn that wealth, they just took it.
    Is Your Employer Stealing From You?
    Millions of workers lose billions in stolen wages every year—nearly as much as all other property theft.
    https://www.gq.com/story/wage-theft
    Amazon Will Pay $61.7 Million Settlement After Allegedly Withholding Tips From Delivery Drivers
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlie...g-tips-from-delivery-drivers/?sh=6a0c8a11752b
    USA TODAY exclusive: Hundreds allege Donald Trump doesn’t pay his bills
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/
    Trump Paid Over $1 Million in Labor Settlement, Documents Reveal
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/27/...legal-immigrant-workers-union-settlement.html
    Trump's Labor Department walks away from wage theft
    https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/505225-trumps-labor-department-walks-away-from-wage-theft

     
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    This is just left wing bilge. Your boss cannot be accused of theft for not paying you more than the sum for which you agreed to work.
     
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    And you are exactly right. We are seeing this in government all the time- whatever you will tolerate, you will get more of. Spreads like a disease.
     
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    I've been in business since 1967, and I've never encountered a legitimate "wage theft" by a company. Disagreements, yes, and sometimes abusive policies. I agree it surely happens, but it's hardly common.
    What I have seen consistently all during that time was wage theft by employees. That happens everytime a person being paid for an hours work waste part of that time, comes in late or leaves early or does any of the myriad of things that are designed to require less effort an slow productivity- while still getting paid for it. That IS wage theft.
     
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    My parents made a lot of money during their live. To the point that when my dad died he left a hefty six figure inheritance to each of us kids.

    My parents raised poultry as their main source of income. They had no employees.

    Whom did they steal their money from?
     
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    I 100% unequivocally disagree. A 40 year old who has made poor decisions in their life and works pulling fries out of a fryer diverse the rate their value to the company warrants. If they bring value to a company and are an asset to the company, they will be paid a livable wage plus some.This non-sense that everyone deserves stuff, merely for being human is ridiculous.

    Just some 20+ years ago, you only saw teenagers working the grills and counter at fast food. Now you see older immigrants and old tattooed up peeps working these jobs. There was a day that people took pride and worked hard to earn a good living. Now they just want it given to them! Buck up buttercup and get a skill that gives value and gets you a livable wage. Until then, get some roommates and or a couple side jobs to subsidize your poor choices. And yes, I know there are exceptions. However, above seems to be the rule!
     
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    Because he hasn't made any money in four years?
     
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    If that is what the job is worth.
     
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    And employees have been rejecting unions for decades and has fallen to only 6.3% of private sector workers. Joe is not pro-worker he is pro-union. He has been quite clear he is only interested in creating union jobs so screw the 90% of the workers who are not in unions and which most of those do not want to be in unions.
     
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    So the rich took something from someone that the someone in question didn't have in the first place.
     
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    No its not.
     
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    Yes it is.. been a working man all my life avoid being a boss because I've seen the job and it sucks, but I can't count the number of buttheads that did little more than bitch about what little they were expected to do to draw a pay check.
     
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    Nope still not.
     
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    So- if you hire a plumber by the hour and he only works 4 hours but charges you for 8, you weren't overcharged and wouldn't complain.
    It's different when you put yourself in the other persons place, and become the person being screwed instead of the person doing the screwing.

    Anyone can say "it's Not". Doesn't change anything except people's opinion of your logic.
     
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    Valid points, but calling it wage theft is hyperbole.

    What you describe is the inherent risk assumed with an hourly based compensation scheme. A contract can mitigate this risk, but piecework (or a %) is the only equitable system of compensation for both parties. The number of industries that operate under such a scheme is a small minority.

    Production budgets account for sales forecasts and expected income. Corporate couldn't care less if every worker is too tired to go home or gets their work done by waving a magic wand. Morale and worker productivity is the responsibility of lower management, and it would be they who are "stealing" from the company.
     
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    So someone who claims to be a multi-billionaire hasn't made any money in over ten years? Hard to believe, especially when Beijing Donnie has no problems paying federal income taxes to Communist China.
     
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    Part of having a pro-worker agenda is being pro-union. It is not a coincidence that the decline of the labor movement has resulted in greater wealth inequality in this country resulting in the US becoming a second-world country.
    Richest 1% of Americans Close to Surpassing Wealth of Middle Class
    www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-...

     
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    American unions have always betrayed the working class.
    Pro-worker union activism ended with the deaths of Jock Yablonski and his family.
     
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    But I'm not calling wages theft- I'm calling failure to earn what you are paid; wasting time when you are paid to be productive theft. That most certainly- while not illegally theft- is dishonest.
    I agree that piecework is an ideal way to compensate, but unfortunately that has become quite difficult to do these days.
    I disagree that "Morale and worker productivity is the responsibility of lower management,". IF you didn't come to do the job you took, if you expect that it's your manager's job to keep your ego propped up- I don't think anybody should hire you. It's to management's benefit to keep a good working environment, but certainly not to insure your happiness and will to meet your obligations.

    It's really quite simple. A business benefits from creating a good working environment; they loose when they don't. At the same time- if they don't fill that environment with workers who have good attitudes and manage themselves, they suffer for it. Thus- IF you aren't capable of bringing a good attitude and work ethic to the job- you don't deserve a job.

    It's true that we have to factor in losses from bad attitudes and the like. Of course we also have to factor in things like employee theft, shoplifting, things like that. NOT because we should have to- but because these things are going to happen. That doesn't make them right- it just means we know they will. Business has no choice but to pick up the slack, to compensate for what employees don't get done that must be done- because they have skin in the game. The employee goes home and doesn't give a damn about the company's problems or success. Business owners worry about it while they're laying in bed at night.
    That's why most people who start a business find out that the owner is also the janitor and the guy that works overtime all the time.

    For the most part, people who work at minimum wage aren't worth it. Better to find more industrious, more talented people, which cost more money- but are a better value as employees. If someone asked me how to work for a raise- I'd tell them to make themselves more valuable. See what needs doing, and don't wait to be told; take care of it. Be as productive as possible. Then- if your employer doesn't recognize and respond to that, find someone else who does. Generally, every business values good people- but a lot of people that aren't valuable in the work place think they are, and believe they are being cheated. You can't convince them otherwise, because they are never willing to look at the other side's point of view.
     
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