GOP lawmaker takes out textbook, tells Mueller he doesn't have 'power to exonerate'

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  1. ibobbrob

    ibobbrob Well-Known Member

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    Of course, there was. The Trump Tower meeting, for one thing. Trump's meetings with Russian oligarchs. Trump's colleagues who met with Russians.
     
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    ibobbrob Well-Known Member

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    It was "the right thing to do" because it was required. Don't interpret my dialogue to fit your narrative. Trump had plenty to turn over to the FBI.
     
  3. Hoosier8

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    Nothing was exchanged. What was there to turn over? Oh, and the alleged female Russian met with Fusion GPS the day before and the day after meeting at the Trump tower.
     
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    You obviously didn’t read the report.
    Because he is the president, no charges does not equal exoneration.
     
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  5. ibobbrob

    ibobbrob Well-Known Member

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    Ask the FBI. Maybe they found that there was nothing to investigate or maybe they did investigate,
     
  6. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    The question is to Mueller, the FBI turned over the investigation in collusion and obstruction to his office when he was appointed and he was charged to investigate ALL attempts by Russia to influence the election. Well what was the the attempt to smear Trump other than an attempt to influence the election?
     
  7. Bluesguy

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    There is no legal exoneration and prosecutors do not claim someone they are not charging with a crime as "not exonerated", that was an attempted smear but colloquially he was exonerated and he, knowing he committed no crime, is free to call it as such.
     
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    All thoroughly investigated and no collusion. Meeting with Russians or people from other countries is not against the law.
     
  9. Hoosier8

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    LOL, no conspiracy, and the AG and Rosenstein said no obstruction = exoneration. Y'all need to move on.
     
  10. ibobbrob

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    The investigation was to expose Russian direct interference in our election. He did that and determined that Trump was not exonerated
    in relation to that effort by the Russians, and Trump still denies it. Why? Does he want it to continue?
     
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    It is against the law if it is to interfere with our election. Not thoroughly investigated because some of the perps were not interviewed or lied.
     
  12. Bluesguy

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    Depends on what you mean by interfere and thoroughly investigated and no collusion or conspiracy charges.
     
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    And any crimes associated with that including with the investigation. A big nothingburger and prosecutors DO NOT EXONERATE how many times does that have to be repeated before it sinks in with you. Trump denies he was involved, Trump agrees with Rosenstein who stated that no Americans were involved and the Russians attempts did not effect the outcome of the election. A big nothingburger.
     
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    WoW. I see you've drunk all the koolaid. Botched coup - I love that one.

    I see you didn't read his report since your characterization of it so ridiculously inaccurate.

    Must be an emotional defense mechanism of something.

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    I see what you are saying, Trump isn't exonerated because Meuller doesn't have the power to do so, despite trump and you claiming he is innocent.

    Imagine a crook denying he's a crook. Why the very notion is beyond belief.

    And there were a bunch of American's involved, including Manafort and Gates, and Sater for instance. And while the extent of the effect cannot be measured, if you don't think that the russian hacking didn't have an effect on the election, and that all those fake news stories, memes, american imposters, tweets, rallies etc also had no effect, then I guess NOTHING but the candidates had any effect on the election.

    Its not like marketing has any influence on consumer behavior or has any effect in the market place. Its just a cash burn, employment opportunity and corporate vanity project.
     
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    Rosenstein joined the Trump train lest he gets fired and loses his retirement money. After all, he did offer to wear a wire when dealing with Trump. The report was hardly a nothing burger. Trump denies he was involved. Now that is funny. What's he gonna say?
    "Trump agrees with Rosenstein" is another funny. Y'all were persecuting Rosenstein during the investigation. Wha' happened?
    Mueller could have said nothing about exoneration whether prosecutors prosecute or not. They cannot indict a sitting president although this Trump con-man should be strung up by his short and curlies in Times Square. It should be illegal to con so many gullible people.
     
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    If there is I suggest trump get on it right away.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I see you can't discern the difference between the legal definition of exonerate and the common usage of the word. Meuller was using the common usage definition, not exerting some imagined prosecutorial power.

    But a little semantic distortion goes a long way with trumpettes.
     
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    He has merely swallowed the false equivalency of the trump/russia conection with the fact that a sub contractor of a sub contractor to the contracted campaign law firm, in collecting intell on Trump from that sub-sub's (Steele) extensive network and expertise. apparently they assume that Steele had to pay "russians" to give him the "goods".

    It's a lame attempt, but one that is an effective whataboutery defense, especially for the low information trumpette. OTOH, Hoosier isn't a low information trumpette, so perhaps he has ulterior partisan motivations.
     
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    Yeah, apparrantly there must be, the way some idiots are carrying on about "Trump not exonerated"
     
  21. Bluesguy

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    About as weak a come back you could have tried. And Rosenstein knew he would be retiring on his own accord. The OFFICAL position of the FBI and DOJ was that while the Russians made propaganda attempts to influence the election they had NO effect on the election outcome.
     
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    Just another case of Republican logic.

    Show me the law you can't exonerate. There is no rule you can only do things the law says you can.
     
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    A non-sequitur but I have said repeatedly he was not charged with a crime and the investigation is over. I have said repeatedly and as the AG and the DAG and the OLC counsel found not evidence to charge an OOJ. And Trump knowing he was innocent has every right to declare his innocence and even call it an exoneration as far as he is concerned.

    I don't need to imagine anything we have reality.

    Which one has been charged with conspiracy with the Russians to influence the election and how were they going to do it to change the results?

    Why would her emails have affected the election? What did they change?

    What election has not been subject to those? Why did Rosenstein when presenting the Russian indictment right after he said NO AMERICANS were involved then say that it had no effect on the election. Were the FBI counterintelligence guy lying?

    And I have yet to buy a George Foreman grill or a My Pillow pillow. What the Russians did and the money they spent was a rounding error to the what the campaigns did.

     
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    And completely insignificant compared to the free press given to Hilary by the presstitutes.
     
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    LOL, there is no 'legal' definition of exonerate.
     

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