GOP vaccine resistance confronting Biden has deep roots

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  1. HockeyDad

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    Biden/Harris said:
    This is the Democrats playing politics with health care. They seriously damaged the medical community with those statements and also damaged their own credibility.

    We know that Biden/Harris/Fauci hate the American people as much as the American people hate them. Given that we know they hate us, we suspect that anything they want us to do will harm us. They have our worst interests at heart. We suspect that they are using mandates (which they openly were against not 6 months ago) as a way to punish the people that despise them and consider them enemy invaders.
     
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    Honestly, society would be better served if we simply offered the vaccine along with community outreach for disadvantaged areas and let the hardcore alt-right do as they please.

    Allow companies to set their employment and entry guidelines, start charging the anti-maskers with felony trespassing.
     
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  3. Arkanis

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    A shutdown is only useful at the beginning of a pandemic.

    Nations that have done so now have a much lower mortality rate than the US, which has an appalling record.

    The mandates are mostly imposed by private companies.
     
  4. HockeyDad

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    You realize that the science says masks DO NOT WORK. Every study says the same thing. They do not work. Wearing them is no different than wearing a burka. It is a marker of a religious belief not based on reality. This is the reason that none of the elites wear them when they think they are out of sight of cameras. I have purchased a supply of fake masks that look like real masks. I look like I am complying while I am not. I am far more comfortable now.

    https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/m20-1342

    Fake masks are available here:
    https://www.etsy.com/market/fake_breathable_mask
     
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  5. RedWolf

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    Isn't New York planning on another shut down? I could be mistaken but I believe I saw somewhere that they were preparing for another one.

    And Biden had planned on making mandated vaccination necessary in order to resume working but he is facing resistance in the courts. What a person decides to do with their body is their choice, not the governments.
     
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    Ahh, the party of personal responsibility. So refreshing!
     
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    What percent of deaths are the vaccinated?
     
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    You should have deleted the part that completely debunks your nonsense
    “f the doctors tell us that we should take it, I’ll be the first in line to take it.”
     
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    That’s false, Missouri just did a study that shows they work, and then hid the study because masks melt snowflake republicans
     
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    Democrats sure are obsessed about controlling peoples lives. Ever heard of the concept of living your own life and leaving people alone? If you are so confident in your "vaccine", you shouldn't care what other people are doing or not. Let's be real here. If you are vaccinated, you get COVID and then die from it....... that vaccine obviously isn't worth a damn.
     
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    No I recommend you do whatever you prefer to do. If u wanna take a drug with no long term safety data on it. Go for it. I do however have a problem with you all trying to force others to do it.

    MY suggestion would be that for me it was milder than most colds I have. Get it and get the natural antibodies. With that being said, every persons medical situation is different.
     
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  12. MJ Davies

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    My apologies. I read your statement as the unvaccinated should not be allowed to use hospital services for the treatment of COVID as they would be taking up beds that others, for whatever reasons, need.

    As previously stated, I believe everyone on the planet can think of at least one thing that other people that contributes to the use or even abuse of funds controlled by their local and/or state government. COVID vaccine hesitation and any resulting hospitalizations for infection is just one of them.
    Very sobering. The reality, though, is one can't mandate common sense or empathy. If people aren't interested in keeping their loved ones, co-workers, neighbors and essential workers safe, we can't make them. There are no laws against being selfish, apathetic or mean.
    You are looking at this from your side, not theirs, so it's difficult for you to feel empathy toward them because you think they're wrong. However, I would expect there are things that are widely accepted/done that you don't agree with. Should somebody be able to force you to do what they think is best for you?

    Back in college, a few classmates and I went to a Flea Market to just look around. A man had his booth set up with televisions. As we walked past, he said something to try to draw us in to look at his wares. One of my friends told him that I don't watch television. For some reason, I don't quite understand, that infuriated him and he started yelling and cursing at me saying that I think I'm better than other people and I'm not so special. I thought he was a nut and I didn't care about his opinion. The reality is I don't watch much television because I don't find it interesting. Most people won't engage in something they dislike or don't have an interest in unless it's a job or come kind of emotional blackmail within their family.

    Should that man have been able to force me to not only buy a television, but watch television? I would argue that he does not. However, your position is his position on this matter of vaccine-hesitancy and/or vaccine refusal.

    Yes, I'm aware that I can't make other people sick by not watching television but that's irrelevant. The point is we can't expect to have our rights respected as inalienable rights as American citizens while trying to override those very same rights other Americans have by birthright...even if we don't like their choices.
    Again, that's not relevant. We increase our chance of not dying in a car accident if we don't run red lights, wear our seat belt, drive attentively and remain aware of all that is happening around us at all times. Yet, countless people die every day in vehicle accidents.

    Some of them died (comparable to people dying of COVID).
    Some of them were permanently injured (comparable to people developing long COVID).
    Some of them were temporarily injured (comparable to hospitalizations or no hospitalizations with no lasting effects).
    And, some walked away relatively intact (comparable to self-quarantine and complete recovery).

    With those permutations, we can easily see that every single person CAN catch the virus, develop long term complications, develop short-term complications or recover completely. It begs the question "Why get vaccinated if I still could get sick?"

    Further, notwithstanding the statistics or testimonies of others, some people absolutely won't get vaccinated for ANY reason. Therefore, no argument or statistics or <whatever> can make them reconsider their stance on the issue. And, unless they are mentally handicapped or cognitively stunted, there isn't any way to force them to do it.


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    I don't mean to be gross, but I have a neighbor that will not use a toilet. She literally defecates anywhere but there. She uses paper towels for clean up but refuses to flush them so they are all over the place in various containers. She has it on her linens, sometimes on the floor and on the walls.

    I have another neighbor whose apartment would be condemned if she was living as she is in a single family home.

    My next door neighbor and her bf tested positive for COVID last year. Our State Department put a notice on their door. They were supposed to self-quarantine but they didn't. She claimed that she's claustrophobic and need to get out. She literally went in and out of her about at least 40-50 times per day. I know this because she always slammed the door (very inconsiderate of others). They never wore masks or socially distanced. They didn't even bother to wipe down the washers and dryers when they used them during their quarantine period.

    I've spoken to Adult Services (it's like Child Protective Service but for adults, mostly seniors and domestic violence victims) and they outright told me that their hands are tied because the first two had not been certified and cognitively impaired. The last one was so her mother was her guardian (she is about 30 years old) but her mother didn't encourage her to wear masks, socially distance and stay away from others.

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    Now, ask yourself that question. Would YOU be amenable to the idea of doctors having you taken into custody and forcibly injecting you with something you don't want (for whatever reasons)? You come off as sane so I can only assume you wouldn't be. However, if you are, would you argue that that's a violation of your rights as a free American citizen?

    Moving out from that position brings up the question "If we can forcibly inject people with the COVID vaccine as sanctioned by the CDC, AMA and our medical care providers, why stop there?

    * Why not forcibly tie down smokers or cut off their hands so they can't pick up cigarettes?
    * Should we be able to force ALL women to have breast enhancement since so many men like busty woman?
    * Should we force all of them to wear skimpy clothing and tons of make-up?
    * Should we break into people's homes and purge their refrigerator and freezer of anything we don't think they need to eat?
    * Should we ban the import, production and sale of cigarettes, cigars and vapor supplies?
    * Should we kidnap women and forcibly perform abortions if they are not financially or mentally capable of taking care of a baby?

    Why stop there?

    We could conceivably force everyone to become Stepford wives and husbands. That would mean that we could eradicate discrimination and bigotry because everybody be exactly the same, have the same food in their house, drive the same vehicles, go to the same worship services, etc..(Hint: Check out photos of North Korea's citizens).

    That is correct.
     
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    I don't understand what you're trying to convey.
     
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    It is either trolling or ignorance regarding what a cult actually is to suggest that a mainstream political party is a cult. What is your definition of a cult? You really have bought into the false dichotomy BS.

    Also, many of your people, particularly non-whites are resisting the vaccine. Are they cult members? Do you wish for them to be killed off by Covid?

    Liberals should welcome Covid. Keeping up the scare (to paraphrase Nathan Bedford Forest) is the only Dem hope for the midterms.
     
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    The misinfo being used to not get a shot is way overblown.
     
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    You can force them to stop clogging up the hospitals we need for other things. Unvaccinated idiots should get the same amount of care they usually want to give to the poor and undocumented immigrants
     
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    And if you get Covid with symptoms no hospital should take you. Are you alright with that? Will you still be so when it hurts so much to breathe you have to be sedated?
     
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    Then why are you so hellbent on forcing others to take the vaccine?
    Why do people with natural immunity and better immunity than you have to take it?
    Why force it on children that have no real threat from the virus?

    I don't expect Leftists to answer these questions... it's not what they do.
     
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    The Hospitals are "clogged" because we have a shortage of medical professionals and you Leftists want to fire thousands more. Most of which already had the virus and don't need the shot. How do we take the pandemic seriously, when you guys are firing medical professionals in the middle of it?
     
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    I had it last year and never needed to go to the hospital.

    Are you saying people shouldn't receive medical treatment unless they comply with your personal beliefs? I don't like smoking either but I wouldn't deny smokers treatment.
     
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    Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying.
     
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    False equivalence. Smoking is very difficult to stop over many months and involves giving up a habit that actually enjoyable for most of its habitues The Vaccine takes about 30 minutes all told and is only momentarily minimally painful. You lose nothing but the enhanced possibility of an agonizing death.
     
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    Smoking is still a choice which means they wouldn't be in there if they never picked up a cigarette. Unlike you though I'm not advocating for people to go without just because I disagree with their choice.
     
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    Wisdom is knowing when to break the rules. Mask mandates are rules that must be broken if one wants to keep one's moral and intellectual integrity.
     

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