GOP won't reauthorize FISA without FBI reforms following Durham report: 'Stop the abuses'

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  1. CornPop

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    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...tion-fisa-big-reforms-fbi-abuse-durham-report

    I think this is actually a good thing. Congress has the power of the purse, and that is how it can influence the Executive Branch. FISA was supposed to be used for foreign intelligence; however, it has been abused, and it is being used to secretly spy on Americans. If the DOJ wants to spy on an American, they can give them a warrant and go through the appropriate channels.

    We now know that the FBI has committed 278,000 FISA violations in recent years. That's not a culture that is protecting our rights and using FISA within the limited scope that it was created to work within. It's become a means for the federal government to spy on American citizens without their knowledge illegally. The FISA courts have become a rubber stamp, and it needs to be revamped. Hopefully, Republicans can hold the line on this. This shouldn't be controversial. Nobody should defend a secret system that abuses its power this frequently.
     
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  2. flyboy56

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    This is a very good first step to clean house. It's top heavy with liberal ideologues. Cut off the head so the rank and file of the FBI can get back to going after real criminals and not a bunch of Republican witch hunts.
     
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    Good.
     
  4. Wild Bill Kelsoe

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    FISA shouldn't be reauthorized, under any conditions.
     
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    Hand government any power and they can misuse it.

    This is something conservative civil libertarians have been warning about for a long time.

    It's kind of funny how no one sees any problem until the ones with political power become the target.
     
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    So the FBI can't use FISA to listen in on a political candidate's (Trump's) phone calls any more? What a bombshell decision.
     
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    I’m fine with it. Republicans are so crooked they’ll trip themselves up without the need for FISA warrants.
     
  8. Zorro

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    If Congress is dumb enough to renew it based on promises good behavior by the FBI, they are as dumb as Joe Manchin.

    Jim Jordan said some things. Whatever.

    'House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan (R-OH) told Breitbart News in an exclusive that his "number one goal" this year is to block reauthorization of what is known as the "crown jewel" for the intelligence agencies.
    Jordan spoke to Breitbart News as Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) will soon expire, leaving an opportunity for privacy-centric lawmakers and those critical of government overreach to fight for reform.'

    'Jordan said, "The number one goal I have between now and the end of the year is to stop the reauthorization of the 702 FISA program."'

    'The Ohio conservative in his argument against reauthorizing Section 702 cited a recently unsealed court document that found the FBI misused FISA over 300,000 times between 2020 and early 2021.'

    I want a little less talk and a lot more action. I predict that it gets reauthorized based on some BS promises from the corrupt FBI because they have so many law makers blackmailed.

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    Trey Gowdy Like Sell Out Coming?

    The corrupt FBI illegally spied on Americans 'over 300,000 times between 2020 and early 2021.'

    the Fourth Amendment’s REQUIRES, it does not suggest, 'a warrant to search Americans’ communications.'

    THE CORRUPT FBI BASTARDS ARE SPYING ON LAW MAKERS

    'Rep. Darin LaHood (R-IL), a member of the House Intelligence Committee, dramatically revealed that he was the unnamed lawmaker that was surveilled by the FBI.'

    'Rep. Warren Davidson (R-OH) said in reaction to the report that the FBI had violated Americans’ privacy hundreds of thousands of times. “We know surveillance programs like Section 702 have been abused. Americans’ have a constitutional right to privacy, and we must end warrantless surveillance programs,” Davidson said.'

    'Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-WA), the chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, said, “This is an outrageous & unacceptable abuse of power. We cannot reauthorize FISA without a complete privacy overhaul that prevents the government from warrantlessly spying on Americans.”'

    I agree, but, I'm not holding my breath.
     
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    I doubt this will actually work, but FISA needs to be eliminated.
     
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    100% agree. Things are off balance here, and nobody was asking tough questions about civil liberties in those SCOTUS confirmation hearings!
    I want to see a bipartisan bill on this kind of thing. I want to see the GOP libertarians and the ACLU progressives start talking. Civil liberties overreach since 9-11 under Bush/Cheney has never been addressed, and no, President Obama did nothing more than claim a 'beneficent' and honorable Justice Dept and AG (in the judicious capable hands of Holder and Lynch) was the solution! We need to remember that taking down the 'bad' guys is not always our primary responsibility. There is a legacy of civil rights and liberties to remember.

    I want to see that first draft of that reform bill and 'FISA courts' should be on page one. my problem is that as much as I like Biden, I am not sure he's the executive for this either. This is one area of law regarding the scope, authority and power of law enforcement, where I'd prefer a more progressive President than the one we have.
     
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    THEY’RE WAGING WAR AGAINST THOSE THEY’RE MOST AFRAID OF, THEIR OWN CITIZENRY: HOW DHS WENT FROM FIGHTING JIHADISTS TO TARGETING YOUR TWEETS.

    'not a single cent of taxpayer dollars – of our money – should go towards silencing ourselves, directly or by proxy.'

    'Therefore, it is incumbent upon Congress use its oversight powers to develop a full and accurate accounting of government-led censorship efforts, directly, and by proxy, and then to use its power over the purse to defund and dismantle them.'

    'Such a process would require that Congress identify every single office involved in any way in seeking to censor domestic speech, or in any way inducing private sector actors to do so, as well as any government funding of non-governmental groups like EIP that induce private sectors actors to do so – and zeroing out such funding.'

    'It may also call for criminal penalties for government officers who engage in such behavior, to deter it.'

    IT REQUIRES CRIMINAL PENALTIES FOR THOSE THAT DO SO. As we see with the corrupt FBI, they do not fear administrative sanctions.

    'Sustaining any such efforts may well require that the public is engaged on this issue.'

    It may take RFK.

    'The notion that to ensure the health and safety of the country, the public and private sectors must work together to silence those who express unauthorized opinions, that such opinions are to be treated as threats to an infinitely flexible definition of “critical infrastructure,” and those who hold them as actual or would-be domestic terrorists, is the stuff of tyranny.'

    They are engaged in a great evil.

    'Historically, we would have held in utter contempt authorities who would suggest we are incapable of thinking for ourselves, and that for our own benefit, since the authorities know best, that they will do the thinking for us – while silencing those who dare dissent.'

    'No American should stand for it today.'
     
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    FISA, WHO, FBI, CDC and a whole bunch more need to be defunded and eliminated.
     
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    Amazing. Democrats literally get caught lying and committing crimes yet you ignorantly lie and claim it is Republicans who are crooked.
     
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    Oh, yes. They are. They can’t get the votes except by lieing and cheating.

    They elect liars and crooks. Why is Santos still in office ? Why is the Orange Stain still free ?
     
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    I think FISA should be obliterated anyway
     
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    I would be shocked if Congress really does hold FISA's feet to the fire, but it's encouraging that they are even saying it.
     
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    The house Republicans will cave and give the FBI whatever they want. They always do.

    They don’t have the backbone when dealing with corrupt LEOs.

    But Hell, if I’m wrong I’ll be happily wrong.
     
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    The Patriot Act is what really needs to be killed, but I guess this is a start even if for craven self-serving reasons.
     
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    Yes but not as good as eliminating the FBI entirely. The only requirement would be to force the states to pass laws requiring local and state police to enforce federal laws at federal government's expense. Perhaps we would reduce the generation new federal laws and perhaps end some of them.
     
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    Federal government agencies are, at the end of the day, creatures of the federal legislature. They are on the legislature's payroll. In many instances they were created by specific congressional legislation.

    The oversight of these agencies is the responsibility of the Congress of the United States of America.

    The rest follows from this truth.

    Regards, stay safe 'n well.
     
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    I think the FBI blackmails enough of Congress to get spying authority reauthorized.

    After Durham Report, Voters Seek Deep FBI Reforms: I&I/TIPP Poll.

    Their Constituents are speaking clearly.

    'The Durham Report, which faulted the FBI for meddling in the 2016 and 2020 presidential elections by conducting a seriously flawed investigation of alleged “collusion” between the Donald Trump campaign and Russia, shocked many Americans. Now, disappointed and angry with apparent politicization of the FBI, Americans strongly support sweeping changes at the nation’s top law enforcement agency, the latest I&I/TIPP Poll shows.'

    'Looking at the numbers, it’s not hard to see that the FBI has a serious problem, with 63% of all Americans either wanting serious congressional reform of the agency or closing it down and rebuilding from the ground up.'

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    'Americans overwhelmingly want changes made at the FBI, which clearly overstepped its bounds by dangerously meddling in the 2016 presidential election and, by extension, the 2020 one as well.'

    ELECTION FIXING:

    'The Durham report concluded, the FBI showed “markedly different” treatment of claims made against the Hillary Clinton campaign in 2016 and those made against Trump, suggesting at best political favoritism, at worst a rank and illegal attempt at influencing an election.' And now Biden's laptop, classified documents, and international bribery scandal.

    If the Senate will not listen to us, it adds more weight to the case that we need more control over our senators. For example, the States passing a constitutional amendment that allows the State Legislature to recall their senator on a majority vote.
     
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    What’s the Durham report ? Is it sold in the “fiction” section of my local bookstore ?
     
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    It is free. You can read it on this very internet.
     
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    Meanwhile, Trump's FBI taped Story's lawyers calls after he got on the bad side of Trump ... coincidence?
     

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