Government handouts proven again to destroy the nuclear family

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  1. Wildjoker5

    Wildjoker5 Well-Known Member

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    So, to show again that probably the biggest reason for the nuclear family to be dissolving since LBJs great society was introduced is how it incentivizes single parent homes to get more free stuff from the government. Here we see a happy family looking to divorce because they can get more stuff for their kids if the father isn't in the home.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/we...hters-health-care-costs/ar-AAzV0AB?li=BBnb7Kz
     
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    Simple solution universal health care for minors.
     
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    Wildjoker5 Well-Known Member

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    More government handouts for all kids under 18? What if their mental age stays under 18? How about no government handouts and allow the cost of health care to go back down? We know that anything the government subsidizes just increases the price in dollars or lives lost.
     
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    The so called free market has resulted in sky high healthcare costs. The insurance companies and the healthcare industry are squeezing the hell out of us and in return we get stuff like what's in the op.

    The failure on the government for this is that government failed to implement price caps and failed to mitigate some of the market forces driving up costs. Seriously, we ought to look to other economic models for healthcare in this country.
     
  5. Wildjoker5

    Wildjoker5 Well-Known Member

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    No, the problem is with the lawsuits and malpractice suits. The doctors and hospitals need to cover their costs, from sky high college tuitions to their insurance costs and their medical equipment taxes. Sorry, but the government has been all up in the medical business market for decades, and it starts with government subsidies for colleges. Do you think a doctor will charge less that what will be sufficient to cover their tuition loans? How about the rock bottom compensation they get from Medicaid and medicare patients. Government will tell the doctors to f off before they pay more than what the government wants to pay, even if its less than standard price.
     
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    Rewards from lawsuits come because of some fault on the healthcare provider. Can't blame the government for that. The healthcare industry is in poor shape because of the greed within it. Government only tries to mitigate it somewhat.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yet the GOP is not out making sure the public is fully aware of that.
    That just like it was Democrats who helped Create the Ku Klux Klan
    and even allowed them a seat at their 1924 DNC Convention and
    wrote Jim Crow bigot mandates the left and Democrat Party gets a
    complete pass.Just like Hillary was totally exonerated by Obama's
    ccorrupted FBI of all wrongdoing.
    We the People have been taken for a ride.Those who work hard
    and save are the ones penalized while the slackers and those who
    pass No Federal Income Tax the 47 % ers are treated like good
    americans by the likes of Obamaism.However Obama did take unbridge
    as did his lapdog Mainstream media when Newt Gingrich as GOP
    Presidential candidate stated in a Primary debate how Obama was
    The Food Stamp president.The Left and Obama sycophants again
    tried to make a Liar out of Gringrich.When he stated the God's honest
    truth.The problemo is that the Left doesn't know or understand the
    God's Honest truth.Obama never used it.
     
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    So what you are really saying is that if parents can't provide health care for their kids they would be better off?
     
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    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

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    Duh thats the freakn point.

    You cant change the government without changing the culture, and you cant change the culture without changing people, and you cant change the people without destroying the foundation.

    Its a full blown communist attack on the American people and the constitution.
     
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    Busting the Myth of ‘Welfare Makes People Lazy’
    Cash assistance isn’t just a moral imperative that raises living standards. It’s also a critical investment in the health and future careers of low-income kids.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2018/03/welfare-childhood/555119/

    “Welfare makes people lazy.” The notion is buried so deep within mainstream political thought that it can often be stated without evidence. It was explicit during the Great Depression, when Franklin D. Roosevelt’s WPA (Works Progress Administration) was nicknamed “We Piddle Around” by his detractors. It was implicit in Bill Clinton’s pledge to “end welfare as we know it.” Even today, it is an intellectual pillar of conservative economic theory, which recommends slashing programs like Medicaid and cash assistance, partly out of a fear that self-reliance atrophies in the face of government assistance.

    Many economists have for decades argued that this orthodoxy is simply wrong—that wisely designed anti-poverty programs, like the Earned Income Tax Credit, actually increase labor participation. And now, across the world, a fleet of studies are converging on the consensus that even radical welfare programs—including basic-income programs and what are called conditional cash transfers—don’t make people any less productive.

    Most notably, a 2015 meta-study of cash programs in poor countries found “no systematic evidence that cash transfer programs discourage work” in seven different countries: Mexico, Nicaragua, Honduras, the Philippines, Indonesia, or Morocco. Other studies of cash-grant experiments in Uganda and Nigeriahave found that such programs can increase working hours and earnings, particularly when the beneficiaries are required to attend classes that teach specific trades or general business skills.
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    Don't you folks ever tire of flogging the "welfare queen" myths?
     
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    The amount in lawsuits is because the government. You say there needs to be a cap on costs, every where the single payer system is implemented there is a cap on payouts first. Do you find it at all interesting that the average cost of malpractice payouts in the US vs the EU is proportionate to average cost for doctors visits in the US vs the EU?
    https://www.economist.com/news/2005/01/26/the-war-on-tort
     
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    No where did I say lazy. Way to derail the OP. Please delete and stay on topic.
     
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    And yet I see fat assed people going through the grocery store checkout line buying things with food stamps, which I would not buy because they are the exact reason their asses are fat. A little more work and a little less ice cream would do wonders.
     
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    What? ... you need Judge Judy to explain what Lazy means.
    She asks practically everyone appearing in her courtroom
    If They Work.And if they Don't and especially act as if they
    don't need to,then by all means ... She goes after them as " lazy ".
     
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    Your link doesn't support your position at all. Matter of fact, it is about government trying to reign in tort. Trial lawyers lick their chops at potential lawsuits because of the abundance of poor healthcare quality cases.

    ETA disclaimer: Couldn't read past the summary because I reached my "readership limit."
     
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    Only in RW propaganda world does one anecdote count as "proof".
     
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    Yet this MSM makes up crap out of whole cloth and then
    assumes the American people are " stupid " like ObamaCare
    architech Jonathan Gruber or Obama hisseld with the word
    " stupidly " hurled at the Cambridge Police dept.
     
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    You must have missed the subtitle........................... "Cash assistance isn’t just a moral imperative that raises living standards. It’s also a critical investment in the health and future careers of low-income kids."...........................before you eagerly read the entire article (wink).
     
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    Feel free to post your rant in a thread where the MSM does that. I said nothing about the MSM.
     
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    The statement in the attached article that I find most humorous.

    "We are not looking for charity, we're not looking for money or donations. We don't want a GoFundMe — we don't want any of that," Maria said. "I need the state to step up and give us the benefits that we need."

    They don't want to ask for charity, but they want the government to step up and pay for it. I would prefer them ask for charity, because then people the giving by choice instead of going to government that takes by force.
    I'm don't know why people are hesitant to ask other people for help....it is not a sign of weakness and there are millions out there that would help. If they were to start a go fund me page I would wager they could get money in the 6 figure range from people that want to help......of their own free will.
     
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    Of course NOT because this Corrupted MSM was Obama's
    Biggest enabler.And basically in a nutshell ALL this Trump
    Hatred and resist is a convenient smoke screen to divert away
    from the fact that Obama and Hillary are guilty as hell of SUBVERTING
    a General election.By the Framing of candidate Trump.Then doubling down
    { as if average americans won't notice or care much } with their Lies,scuttlebutt
    and hourly attacks on his character and governance.
    The real cuprit in the Unites States is this stinkin' rotten corrupt Mainstream
    media.Who purposedly refused to vet candidate Obama and used hacks like
    Eugene Robinson { Washington Post columnist } to write glowing columns
    about candidate Obama.Garnering him a Pulitzer.
    Robinson is a paid contributor and regular at MSNBC { still the Official
    Obama Politburo } !
     
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    The simple fact is the welfare check ruined most black families. Young male blacks suffer the most without a father figure.
     
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    I personally know 3 people who have done this.
     

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