Great Examples Why New Gun Laws Are Not Needed

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  1. Well Bonded

    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Enforce the existing laws and repeat offenders will not have the opportunity to become repeat offenders.

    Armed Felon Sentenced to 15 Years in Federal Prison
    Jacksonville, Florida – U.S. District Judge Timothy J. Corrigan today sentenced Jerome Stancil (52, Jacksonville) to 15 years in federal prison for possessing a firearm as a convicted felon.

    Stancil had been found guilty on January 31, 2019, following a bench trial.

    According to court documents, Stancil was stopped by officers from the Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office for speeding. The officers discovered that Stancil was in violation of his state probation curfew and also noticed an odor of marijuana coming from Stancil’s vehicle. Officers searched Stancil’s car and found a loaded .40 caliber pistol near the driver’s seat. Stancil admitted that the firearm was his and said it was for protection.

    At the time, Stancil had prior convictions in Virginia for multiple drug trafficking felonies. As a result of his prior convictions, Stancil was prohibited from possessing a firearm and qualified as an armed career criminal under federal law.

    https://www.atf.gov/news/pr/armed-felon-sentenced-15-years-federal-prison

    Jacksonville, FL – Timothy Tijwan Doctor (42, Jacksonville) has pleaded guilty to possessing a firearm as a convicted felon. Due to his extensive criminal history, Doctor qualifies as an Armed Career Criminal and faces an enhanced minimum mandatory penalty of 15 years, and up to life, in federal prison. A sentencing date has not yet been set.

    According to court documents, on August 11, 2018, multiple officers from the Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office responded to a call at a residence in Jacksonville. As the officers arrived, they observed a crowd of individuals in front of the residence, some yelling, who were engaging in a confrontation. As officers separated individuals in the crowd, Doctor was identified as having a firearm. Officers made contact with Doctor and removed a Ruger 9mm pistol from his waistband. The pistol was loaded with a round in the chamber and 12 rounds in the magazine. At the time, Doctor had numerous prior felony convictions and therefore was prohibited from possessing a firearm or ammunition.

    https://www.atf.gov/news/pr/jacksonville-man-pleads-guilty-firearm-charge

    North Lauderdale Resident Sentenced to Prison for Being a Felon in Possession of a Firearm and Possession of Cocaine

    A North Lauderdale resident was sentenced today to more than six years in prison for being a felon in possession of a firearm and possession of cocaine.


    According to the court record, including the agreed upon factual proffer, on September 15, 2018, Denis posted a video recording that he labeled “Wild Wild West” on Facebook as he was firing three firearms at a local gun range. A BSO detective discovered the Facebook posting and brought it to the attention of ATF. An ATF Special Agent viewed the Facebook posting, went to the gun range, and recovered evidence documenting Denis’s presence at the gun range as well as a video recording made by the gun range of Denis firing the firearms.

    On October 18, 2018, an ATF Special Agent and BSO detectives arrested Denis outside a courtroom in the Broward County Courthouse in Fort Lauderdale when he arrived to attend a hearing in a pending state criminal case. In his pocket, Denis had a small container in which there were fourteen plastic zip-lock bags, each containing a small quantity of cocaine.

    https://www.atf.gov/news/pr/north-l...being-felon-possession-firearm-and-possession

    Fort Pierce Felon Sentenced to Prison for Unlawfully Possessing a Firearm and More Than Two Pounds of Marijuana
    Jose Antonio Morales, 33, of Fort Pierce, was sentenced by U.S. District Judge Robin L. Rosenberg to a total of 84 months in prison today, after having been convicted at trial of being a felon unlawfully in possession of a firearm and possessing marijuana with the intent to distribute the controlled substance (Case No. 18-Cr-14056).

    According to the court record, including evidence introduced during the trial in West Palm Beach, in June 2018, law enforcement seized two pounds of high-grade marijuana and a loaded firearm from a safe in Morales’ bedroom while executing a search warrant at his residence in Fort Pierce. Morales is a convicted felon and was prohibited, by law, to possess a firearm and/or ammunition.

    https://www.atf.gov/news/pr/fort-pi...wfully-possessing-firearm-and-more-two-pounds
     
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    CourtJester Well-Known Member

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    Think you have proven the drug laws are working. No evidence that any of those has an impact on gun crime.
     
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    Incorrect, all of these arrests where by the BATF for illegal firearm possession, drugs may have been present but the BATF was after the felon's in possession of firearms.

    That's a nice anti-gun try at diverting from the subject though.
     
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    Except for the fact that such is simply not the case. The individual in question was arrested, convicted, and sentenced for being a felon in possession of a firearm, not for being in possession of illicit narcotic substances.
     
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    He was stopped for drugs.
     
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    Factually incorrect. The individual in question was stopped for speeding. The law enforcement officers claimed there was the odor of marijuana, but none was found when the motor vehicle was searched. What was found, however, was a firearm that he could not legally possess due to previous felony convictions. Such is ultimately why he was arrested, tried, and convicted. Thus demonstrating the firearm-related restrictions in the united states are adequate as they presently are.
     
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    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And he went to a federal prison for firearm possession or don't you comprehend what was posted?.
     
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    CourtJester Well-Known Member

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    Yes did you? He was stopped for drugs not firearms. Learn to read!
     
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    Keep trying you guys are hilarious.
     
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    You need to work on your reading comprehension. You get a background check as part of getting your CCW permit... so you don't have to get a background check when you've already had one done.
     
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    Sorry if you can't read. And dufus it is a different link. So sad.
     
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    Sorry, you can't comprehend that it is indeed illegal for a disqualified person to buy a gun despite your asinine claims to the contrary. Now go perform anatomical impossibilities on yourself.
     
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    It is right in the article.

    https://www.atf.gov/news/pr/armed-felon-sentenced-15-years-federal-prison

    Armed Felon Sentenced to 15 Years in Federal Prison

    Jacksonville, Florida – U.S. District Judge Timothy J. Corrigan today sentenced Jerome Stancil (52, Jacksonville) to 15 years in federal prison for possessing a firearm as a convicted felon.


    Stancil had been found guilty on January 31, 2019, following a bench trial.

    According to court documents, Stancil was stopped by officers from the Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office for speeding.


    Do note the highlighted passage of the article. What does it say? Does it say the individual in question was stopped for drug possession? Indeed it does not. It states the individual in question was stopped for speeding.
     
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    There are no legal circumstances under which a convicted felon may acquire a firearm, without committing a felony in the process. It does not matter how or where the firearm was acquired, the act is still a felony. Simply because a physical act can be performed does not mean the law does not cover the physical act.
     
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    He went to prison for firearm possession by a felon not drugs, learn to comprehend.
     
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    Until current laws are fully enforced, there's no sound argument for more laws.
     
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    He was stopped for speeding. The smell of marijuana gave them probable cause to search, and the outcome was obvious. Gun laws do not prevent felons from obtaining firearms.
     
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    Why don't you research how many gun purchases have been halted due to background checks and then report back.
     
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    Shouldn't be that hard for you to understand the difference between why the car was searhed and why he went to prison.
     
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    And why don't you research how many of those denials of felons attempting to purchase firearms, a felony, where followed up on by law enforcement?
     
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    Evidently you are having trouble understanding it, so let me break it down for you, guy gets pulled over for speeding, car smells like burning weed, the LEO's do a search and a firearm is found, then he gets sent to prison by the BATF, which is an acronym for The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, (note nothing in that acronym indicates drugs), as a felon in possession of guess what... not drugs, but a firearm, which BATF has the authority to enforce.

    Do you get it now?
     
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    Yes thank you thst is exactly what I said. But to get back to the real discussion nothing in that case or any of the others presented demonstrated that new gun laws are not needed because the current laws are working. In fact the specific case proves the exact opposite since the felon was able to get a gun despite the current laws.

    Now if your arguement was that we should get rid of all gun laws because they don't work every time or prevent all illegal gun ownership that might be an arguement worth having.
     
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