Greek Pipeline Breakthrough To Challenge Russian Gas Dominance

This is what was going on in Ukraine. They were stealing the gas and not paying their bills, and Russia was forced to shut it off. Vladimir Putin said that all gas to Ukraine will be stopped in about one or two years, so the Europeans should make other arrangements.

The EU decided to put in some new monopoly laws that the pipes should be owned by the countries the gas was passing through. This would have given them the right to charge as much as they want, and it would have cut into Russia's profit, so Russia decided to end their pipes at the border of the EU, and then it was up to them to take it from there.

In the meantime Bulgaria was working on the pipeline for Southstream, until they were paid a visit by Washington. They bowed to Washington's wishes, throwing many out of work an losing billions a year that they sorely needed. Now they have been making overtures again about the pipeline, and Italy and Greece have made deals over it ...but it seems there is a hindrance again from Washington and the EU. The gas from TAP will not be sufficient.

 

This is not what was going on as far as why Putin annexed the Crimea.

It was because the Crimea has a huge amount of natural gas and along with Exxon-Mobil the Ukraine could use their own massive natural gas pipeline and undercut Russian gas prices and the Ukraine could then replace Russia as Europe's #1 Energy supplier.

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+1
until new, stans can not sell gas to us directly , ulus juchi acts like a gangster ...

 

Actually they are not. They get gas from Norway and from other places, but Russia is reliable and very cheap. The only problem was Ukraine who used it to blackmail the EU... that's why Russia is closing off the tap.

 

Yeah right! Sorry Alpha but it doesn't sell anymore. The reason Crimea joined up with Russia, is because that's what the people wanted. It's called democracy ...a word Washington uses, but never practices. Fortunately for them Putin didn't refuse, or they would have ended up like the Donbas ...or even worse, if that is possible.

 

Oh you think other countries will sell gas cheaper? Guess again fool!

 

Keep telling yourself that.

That is not why.

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Russia is not a reliable supplier.

Russia has threatened to shut off gas flow to Europe and actually did for a short time.

This is why Europe is seeking other suppliers.

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Okay Alpha, that's not the real reason. The real reason is that Washington conducted a coup in Ukraine because it wanted to kick out the Russian base and install it's own in Crimea. The had the plans all set up, and so they sent the SS Donald Cooke to Crimea. They found out differently though when it was harassed by the Russian jets.

Putin knew he had the Russian people in Crimea on his side, so everything was nice and legal as long as Yanukovich was alive ...not that it matters to Washington since to them legality doesn't exist.

If you watched the document, I like the part where the Bikers kidnapped the Ukrainian General and he wasn't able to give the orders to the Ukrainian troops to fight. Most of them joined the Russian army as did one of the admirals and his men, since the pay was about 100 times more, except for one group. They were sent home.

To Russia's credit, the whole thing was managed without one person being killed.

Is that why Germany is building two more pipelines for Russian gas? And is that why Southern and Central Europe want Southstream? The only ones who don't want Russian gas are those who hate Russia and have dreams of restoring their former empire like Lithuania and Poland. Do you know that someone tried to blow up the new German pipeline?

As for shutting off the gas, it was shut off because Ukraine was stealing it and the Europeans were being charged for it. Besides that Ukraine refused to pay its bills.

 

Do some checking.
The gas that will go through this pipeline is from the Shah Deniz gas field in Azerbaijan. This gas field has an estimated reserve of between 50 to 100 billion cubic meters of gas and in excess of 400 million cubic meters of gas condensate.
Now the interesting stuff.
In 2013 Armenia, a very small country, consumed 2 billion cubic meters of gas and Azerbaijan, where it comes from, consumed 10 billion cubic meters in 2010.
Just using the consumption of those 2 countries it will all be gone in 8 years, when they will be going cap in hand to Russia begging to get hooked up to the Siberian gas fields.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shah_Deniz_gas_field
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=137&c=aj&l=en

 

The pipeline is owned by the Ukraine.

They are not being properly compensated for it.

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Okay if that's how the Ukrainians feel no problem, Russia will be turning off the tap soon. The Europeans had ample warning to make other arrangements.

 

The thread is talking about a pipeline in Russia changing to one in Turkey. That makes this thread extremely compliant with my post.

You say Erdogan is "a crazy, Islamist, duplicitous President of Turkey". I dont necessarily disagree with that, I am just saying I think that Russia is worse because they have the balls to actually shut it down and actually have, I dont think Turkey will.

You are not incorrect, but you completely leave out the comparisons from Russia. You think Russia has not leveraged their "shut off valve"? Come on, they are proven to do it and you are just worried that Turkey will. Again I agree with you, Turkey may try. But they will fail where Russia has the chance of success. Er-go my quote that Erdogan is better than Putin.

 

Russia has "leveraged the shut off valve" over unpaid bills.
What nation or utility company would not? Although Detroit Water is now forbidden to do so.

My premise was one can hardly declare security with a
"crazy, Islamist, duplicitous President of Turkey"
and to understand the next President of Turkey may well be more, "crazy, Islamist, duplicitous," etc.

Okay?

 

You should think before you write. The shut off was not caused by Russia, it was either because the Ukrainian mafias was stealing the gas and using it for domestic use, or they wouldn't pay their bills. I'm sure though you are a generous person and would have covered all the costs, but not everyone is like you.

That's okay though, Germany will be getting its new pipes from Russia that will bypass Ukraine, and the Central and Southern states will be bypassing it as well via Bulgaria with Southstream. I don't think these countries want to die just to please Washington and Nato.

As for Turkey, uhhh I have news for you. They are blackmailing Germany for billions. If it doesn't pay up they will start tossing the refugees into the sea unless the EU takes them ...the same as they have with so many thousands before. The morgues on the Greek islands are packed to the hilt.

Anyway there is a civil war in Turkey, so what makes you think the Kurds, who are killing more and more Turkish soldiers in retaliation for the genocides, will not blow up the pipes?

 

In 2015 Russia supplied 158.56 billion cubic meters of gas to European countries
http://www.gazpromexport.ru/en/statistics/

New pipeline will bring 10, may be 20 billion cubic meters of gas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_Adriatic_Pipeline

So...

 

Ad the article said. It will help Europe to diversify from Russian gass.

These people act like the reliance will be completed cut

 

Did you guys know that russia is building an artic route making ship travel 2 weeks faster? More and more companies in Europe are moving their production to Russia and Asian countries are starting to move their factories to Russia as well. They are developing the silk road with China as well.

Russia is moving away from natural resources and going in to production. By the time Europe cuts it energy reliance on Russia (something that will likely not happen since they own 1/4 of all the world's gas supply) they will be reliant on russia for the production of their goods.

It is a trend that is taking off right now. And Russia is even offering free land to boot.

 

LOL!!

Do you really think Russia can afford to turn off ANY pipeline??? LOL!!

The Russian Economy is in an ECONOMIC DEPRESSION!!!

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Russia really needs to develop an economy that is not dependent upon energy exports but this will never happen until Russian Infrastructure has been developed.

Do you have ANY idea how hard it is to get from point a to point b in Russia?

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Yes. It's a big place. But Russia is working on it

Russian Railways is considering using super-fast Hyperloop technology, particularly for transporting freight. According to RIA Novosti, Russian Railways and Hyperloop One are discussing possible cooperation.

https://www.rt.com/business/343569-russian-railways-hyperloop-technology/

 

I have a friend on this forum called Vis....and he is Russian.

Vis and I both know the realities in Russia as I spent so much time there and unlike some Russian or Pro-Russian Members Vis does NOT make up ridiculous claims and he tells it straight and I know he does because I have been there....for years.

Russia is a big place but the population of Russia is TINY....only 145 Million people compared to the U.S. which itself is vastly under populated with 320 Million American's.

Russia is POOR...and I mean DIRT POOR....and the Russian economy is less than the single U.S. Sate of California at about $1.78 Trillion for Russia and $2.3 Trillion for California.

There was a plan and it was supposed to begin 13 years ago as the Joint Russian/American-Canadian Siberian Infrastructure Development and Energy Exploitation Program.

This program would have had American and Canadian Infrastructure Planners and Developers working with Russian Workers and it would have allowed Russia to create millions of new jobs.

Putin at the last minute cancelled it.

Why?

Because as long as the U.S. was involved Putin could not steal all the Russian Energy Export Profits he currently is stealing.

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Uhhh, you forgot, Russia delivers gas to China...and it's a pretty big country. Anyway Russia gave them the cut off date, because they refuse to work with the mafias in Ukraine. Germany's pipeline will be ready as well, and Italy is going crazy because of its industries, and wants a direct line from Russia through Greece. No one in their right mind wants to deal with Turkey, anymore than they want to deal with Ukraine.

 

Alpha we all know you don't lie, which means that Sharon Tennyson must be a former KGB agent, otherwise why would she be saying all these things. Hmmm, maybe she's Putin's girl friend? I hear he loves American women, especially the ones from Washington with lots of cookies.

"... how healthy and vibrant Russia looks today. Not in my 32 years of traveling around Russia has this country looked so prosperous and orderly. It definitely doesn't look like an isolated country under sanctions. It looks like a healthy, robust place with a great deal of modernity present everywhere.

There is a definite pride in Russia's citizenry that I had not seen previously. Today Russians respect themselves and their country, as opposed to the former years when, when to one degree or another, they seemed burdened with insecurities and self-doubt.

Russia's structures, from 18th century buildings to today's skyscrapers, are well kept these days. Unlike yesteryear, streets and sidewalks are clean. We traveled by metros, minibuses, and cars inside these cities––and across the countrysides by train and occasionally by cars. Highways are finally in good shape, city streets also, and they are as well marked as ours––this is new.

Pedestrians have the right away with traffic now! We saw few dilapidated houses, except for rows of original wooden houses in Volgograd. Russia's villages are disappearing which is a great loss to those who still revere village life.

Khrushchev's five-story apartment buildings are being razed with numerous elegant residential buildings going up in each city. I counted 19 cranes from one vantage point in Ekaterinburg. ​

http://www.russiaotherpointsofview.com/imho-by-sharon-tennison/

 

Greece Freezes Poseidon Pipeline Talks After Turkey-Russia Spat By Philip


Chrysopoulos - May 18, 2016 - See more at:

http://greece.greekreporter.com/201...fter-turkey-russia-spat/#sthash.EPE8Jh5f.dpuf

Athens is not planning to advance talks with Russia on the Poseidon pipeline, during the upcoming visit of Russian President Vladimir Putin to Greece, a EurActiv report says.

On May 17, Greece launched construction on a 550-kilometer section of the Trans-Adriatic Pipeline (TAP), which is backed by the European Union. The pipeline will be bringing gas to Europe from the Azerbaijani Shah Deniz 2 offshore gas field, via western Turkey, to Greece, Albania and across the Adriatic to Italy. It is estimated to start operating in 2019.

The project will open 8,000 job positions in the unemployment-laden country. “TAP is one of the greatest direct foreign investment projects carried out in Greece,” Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras said at a ceremony held in Thessaloniki.

However, the Gazprom Poseidon pipeline is a direct competitor to TAP. EurActiv has learned that the main focus of Putin’s visit to Greece will not be on energy issues. Diplomatic sources close to the issue told EurActiv that there would be a discussion over energy but with “no essential result.”

“Taking into account the bilateral relations between Turkey and Russia, no discussion on energy issues could make a progress,” the sources told EurActiv. Following the downing of the Russian jet at the Syria-Turkey border on November 24, the relations between Moscow and Ankara have deteriorated hugely, and the project called “Turkish Stream” to bring Russian gas across the Black Sea to Europe through Turkey has been shelved.

EurActiv says that the discussions between the two leaders will focus on bilateral economic relations with special emphasis on tourism.

 

Can you prove it?