Green New Deal

Or not...

 

Some does some doesn't depends on the pollutant.

 

Most of Holland is below sea level they seem to manage just fine...

 

Just think of it as a much needed spring cleaning. You think it will cost tens of trillions, but I think it'll be more like giving a flea bitten mutt a much needed bath.

 

Maybe California can become the new Venice.

 

If you define the consensus of the experts and Trump's own scientists as hyperbole. Just know, that if we are wrong about this, there will be some very serious consequences for humanity, so we should really try to take what the scientists are saying very seriously and at least honestly consider what they are saying.

 

According to most models, temperatures will rise by 5-9 F by the end of the century with Trump scientists saying 7. But that initial rise won't be the end of it, and they are probably going to rise future due to continued CO2 emissions, and climate responses that continue the temperature rise. So we are probably going to see well over 10 degrees, probably above 15 degrees of temperature rise over the next several hundred years. Thats enough to put us back into the climate of the dinosaur era where sea levels were much higher and the world had a lot more desert and tropical hurricane areas.

The media cycle that likes to blame ever weather event on global warming isn't coming from scientists, so its best to only listen to the scientists, not the media or the politicians. You say weather was a lot more extreme in the 30s and 50s, but don't mention how or give measurements that they were more extreme globally. Plus, the new temperature rise will dwarf anything we have seen currently and the real extreme weather is yet to come.

Solar scientists are predicting a cooling, but that is only going to be short-term and if it is likely the solar cooling we had in the past like in the early 2000s, Its only going to lower the temperatures a bit before they rise again.

 

Sadly CA is on a rising tectonic plate...

 

You don't care about what happens to your children or my children. I guess you have a right to any opinion you want to have even if they border on psychopathic.

 

Thats like saying because you are able to air condition your house, we can do it to the whole planet easily. Holland has a very limited coastline and trying to build dams on every part of the world's coasts isn't feasible especially in areas with hurricanes.

 

The good news is that beachfront real estate prices should become more affordable.

 

You remind me of a James Bond villain who think that doing something horrible will cleans the earth.

 

It also won't be necessary sea level rise is another of those gross over statements that amount to little more than alarmist BS.

You simply can't do all this clap trap in ten years. You can't even train enough new constructions people to build and modify all the buildings in ten years. Hell I doubt you can manufacture enough solar panels in the next ten years to retrofit all the houses let alone get them installed in the next ten years. And let's for now just ingore the fact that in a lot of places in the country solar panels are as useful as teats on a boar about half the year.

 

LOL, then you apparently think the IPCC is a joke since their range is 1.5 to 4c rise which has only changed during the last three decades to lower the low range due to observed science.

Three decades and the CO2 sensitivity has only widened proving they don’t have a clue what it is.

Temperatures rose in the early 20th century at almost the same rate as it did from 1970 to 2000 but before the IPCC says CO2 was the driver. What caused that? Could it be the rising solar activity that preceded the modern warm period?

 

they'll also be dead going by your time frame, so will their children's chilrens and so on.
We don't exist to care for the future, we live in the now. No previous generations of humans cared about those following them unless it was to score political points.

 

I have no problem with the scientists or what they say. My problem is with the politics of committing huge resources to combat something that may go away by itself over time. We could start targeting asteroids with nukes in the hopes that we could destroy one that would eventually contact our planet but it would bankrupt us.

 

Do you have any evidence sea level rise is an overstatement? You are correct assuming that the greenland ice sheets remain intact, but if they don't thats when those predictions all come true. If we have 5-9 degrees of temperature rise by 2100, then they could collapse. We know that historically, they are vulnerable to warming.

 

Yeah, you'll get a cheap beachfront house until a hurricane blows it away. Also, we won't have to deal with annoying sprinklers on all the time, because we will have a lot less water.

 

If you convert their predictions to Fahrenheit, it is 3-7 F. That isn't good either. 1970 to 2000 saw very fast climate change, most faster than earlier in the 20th century, so that isn't good at all. CO2 is the main driver of the 1970 to 2000 warming so I don't know what you are talking about. Rising solar activity only lasted until 1950 and the sun has been cooling in the last 65 years. While the sun was warming, the temperature only increased moderately, while when it was cooling, temperatures increased dramatically. You criticize scientists for not being able to perfectly know future warming or perfectly understanding climate sensitivity, but that doesn't mean they don't understand the warming effect of CO2.

 

People who think that moving more manufacturing to China by increasing our costs is the answer need only view pictures of Beijing to observe the folly.

Renewable sources don't produce dispatchable power. I don't believe batteries are scaling very well. I could be wrong. Just that I lost a fortune in Exide when they held the promise of batteries that could support on-off technology and subsequently went bankrupt. I still have some Lithium shares, but I don't hold out much hope that it's the answer either. Governor Brown Out put on display his renewable energy dream that turned into a nightmare.

 

But FEMA is right there to help rebuild that beachfront mansion, provided it floods.

 

Have you taken a look at food crop yields and acreage shrinkage during that same time period? I believe total farm acreage shrank 20% while yields have tripled. It doesn't appear that global warming has affected the food supply in a negative way. The world has warmed and yields have gone off the charts. Mostly due to nitrogen fertilizer I know, but surely the higher CO2 content in the atmosphere must be acting in a positive way as well.

 

Not much faster. Solar activity peaked in 1980-1990 and there is a delay in it's effects mainly due to the heat capacity of the oceans. The delay is usually 10 to 15 years so well corresponds to the modern warm period.

 

So why even have conventional political positions at all that try to help the country? Why not only have positions that help yourself? Lets see ... I want all taxes eliminated for software developers, all young parents to get taxpayer money and free childcare, I'd also want to see mandated 5% salary increases for all software developers. Yeah!

 

We can actually calculate if an asteroid will hit earth, so there is no point spending billions to nuke it if its not going to hit us. A better solution is to improve monitoring of space so we can detect earth killing asteroids early on. Also, we need to set up a system ready to go out and change the direction of incoming asteroids. We may want to start practicing on existing ones.

You are right that the warming will go away by itself. However climate shifts usually take thousands to tens of millions of years to go away. We are literally digging up all the carbon buried in the dinosaur era and lining the greenhouse layer with them. From what we know about past warming, nature actually tends to exaggerate initial warming, by releasing even more greenhouse gasses when it warms up. You can google climate sensitivity and feedbacks to learn more about this.