Gun buyback scheme starts

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  1. wombat

    wombat Well-Known Member

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    Then lobby your government to stop interfering in other country's affairs. Are you doing that?
     
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    Being pro gun rights is being empathetic to people at risk.
    The concept that gun control prevents victimization is a lie.
     
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    Curbing gun ownership does not save lives
     
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    Nope because any country whoes people do not have the same rights that we did but want them should get our help
     
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    Well, if it suits them. Oddly it wasn't a New Zealander who shot up the Mosque. He was an Australian. Yet all New Zealanders will be forced to pay a price. And that's not fair.
     
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    The danger of firearm ownership is over stated. The greater carnage is on the highways. Not to mention cancer, heart and respiratory and other diseases which are even greater killers.
     
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    Well according to the DOD semiautomatic long guns are not even considered worthy of purchase unless they can run full auto, in case you missed it, where are not back in the 60's anymore.
     
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    First I’d like to address the “rationalization” issue. I’m going to explain why I need semiautomatic weapons by giving actual examples. It’s common to get a response of “you could get by with a bolt action rifle or a revolver”. Well, I suppose computer programmers could get by with a keyboard and no monitor, right? Rationalization can cut both ways. But when it’s your livelihood and the responsibility lies on your shoulders, it isn’t academic anymore. Reality dictates you use the best tools for the job you need to accomplish.
    So, depending on the time of year I’m responsible for 1000-1500 animals of 13 different species. Between predator control, varmint control, and euthanasia firearms are a necessary tool I use much more often than I’d like. To dispel another myth about gun owners I don’t like killing. I will drive around a nest of killdeer with the planter or stop and move a box turtle out of the road. Unfortunately, there are times economics and animal well being require it.

    My aversion to unnecessary suffering is one main reason I need semiautomatic firearms. I don’t really know how many euthanasia cases I’ve had where a semiautomatic rifle or pistol benefited the animal. A lot. But two stand out as good examples here.

    The first was a Morgan mare that broke a front leg out in the pasture. She was situated in a bad spot between a steep drop off on one side and the neighbor’s barbwire fence line on the other. There was only one position I could be in to get a shot downhill enough to avoid a miss ending up somewhere besides the sod of my pasture. It’s not easy to make a perfect shot on a hot blooded horse in pain and I failed to make a clean first shot and she started to sunfish. Without a semiautomatic rifle there would have been no way to make a clean follow up shot to prevent her ending up going over the bank or into the fence still wounded and in pain.

    The second case was a few years back when we had a bad run of a wasting disease go through the deer population. It was common for them to stand in the highway or right beside the highway when their brains quit functioning correctly. The standard procedure is to call the sheriff and they come take care of it. Poaching is illegal. :) One night I was out irrigating still at 11:00 pm and came across a doe standing right on the center line of the highway. I stopped to warn others if any traffic showed up and called the sheriff. The dispatcher was tired of getting these calls I think. He said the nearest deputy was 30 miles away and asked if I was equipped to deal with her on my own. I said I was and was instructed to leave her in sight but off the road so they could dispose of her in the morning. I don’t know what caused her to bolt because I had already tried to get her to move off the road, but she did just as I pulled the trigger. Again, my firearm was semiautomatic (a pistol this time) and I was able to connect well with my second shot. If I had been unable to follow up quickly she most likely would have run off into a cornfield and bled to death or wandered back onto the road and possibly caused an accident. I know I slept better knowing she was no longer suffering and not a danger to someone else.

    Moving on to predators and varmints, semiautomatic firearms are essential here as well. Because I have so many different kinds of animals around, it’s very difficult and dangerous to trap or poison offenders. One example is prairie dogs. They ruin pasture and are a hazard to both horses and cattle. I’ve lost numerous cows and calves to broken legs because of them. Poisoned wheat or oat bait is the most common control method these days. But it must be done when dogs are active and when no livestock are present. This works great for people who only run cattle 4-5 months a year. But I have some kind of critter in my pastures except the dead of winter when bait is ineffective. So shooting them is the best option. More humane in my opinion as well.

    With an unsuppressed bolt action rifle you can sit out all day and shoot a handful of dogs. Every shot sends them underground and you wait for them to come back out before you can get another. With a suppressed semiautomatic I can spend 30 minutes once every couple weeks and keep them under control.

    Two years ago we lost over 50 kid goats to a pair of red fox. Had the state trapper out but all we could catch was raccoons. And I need my raccoons. A healthy raccoon population is key to keeping coyote depredations to a minimum during calving. Finally got them with a semiautomatic (AR-15) with a red dot sight. There are probably marksman that could have taken the foxes with a lesser firearm, but I don’t have time to become such a shooter. I depend on the ease of use, ergonomics, and ability to make follow up shots to fill in the gaps.

    The list goes on and on. Families of ground hogs tunneling under grain bins, multiple coyotes, running coyotes. Semiautomatics save me hours of time and thousands of dollars in damages and depredations. Running my business without them would be like asking accountants to do their job without computers. It just isn’t practical, or ethical, in my opinion.

    Not only are modern semiautomatic weapons more efficient for me in use, they are better suited than alternatives to my environment. I need weapons that can be abused in all kinds of weather and function when needed without constant attention. The polymers, metal finishes, and chrome lined barrels and chambers of modern semiautomatics do this for me.

    Also, as I mentioned before, firearm suppression is important to me. Not only for varmints but for shooting around livestock and working dogs. I started shooting 100% suppressed after a dog jumped through a glass barn window when I had to euthanize a cow. Modern semiautomatics typically have threaded barrels for suppressors standard or as an option.

    I don’t believe we have the right to decide what other people need. Everyone lives in different circumstances and we don’t necessarily know enough about each circumstance to outguess the individual we are judging. I would not want to tell this guy he didn’t need a semiautomatic weapon.
    https://www.alloutdoor.com/2019/07/...ent=2019-07-13&utm_campaign=Weekly+Newsletter

    As far as automatic weapons and grenade launchers I’m ambivalent I guess. I mean automatic weapons are legal to own yet virtually no crimes are committed with them. If mass casualties are the object they aren’t very efficient in most circumstances. Automatic weapons would be useless to me from my practical use standpoint. I doubt criminals would use grenade launchers much either. If you want to blow something up it isn’t complicated to do without one outside a combat environment and criminals sophisticated enough to want one probably have access to them now. Get back to me when they become a problem. At this point discussing them is just sensationalism.
     
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    And it did not say he wasn’t

    This is one of those case where absence of evidence does not equal evidence of absence

    Sine NO ONE has access to the NRA membership database. What we DO know though, with no doubt, is that there have been more than a few “concealed carry mass shooters”.

    http://concealedcarrykillers.org/mass-shootings-committed-by-concealed-carry-killers/

    And since the criteria to be licenced for concealed carry is stricter than becoming an NRA member......
     
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    You would need to do something, since your original and false claim, fell apart because it was a BS lie. Move the post wherever you need them and try again.
     
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    Here is Australia we get around that issue by learning to become really really good shots :p

    One of the listed best snipers in history was a Chinese Australian in WW1 with over 150 confirmed kills
     
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    Not one NRA member has carried out a mass shooting. You can bet your eternal soul, the media would of broadcasted that from the highest peaks on earth had even ONE NRA member committed a SINGLE mass shooting. And you know it, too.

    Go ahead, look silly and attempt to deny that...
     
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    Surprisingly it is often the loved ones who turn the weaponry in
     
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    Cat got your tongue @Bowerbird
     
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    Nope! Just posting on different threads
     
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    You have no proof of that one way or the other

    For all we know every single mass shooter could be an NRA member
     
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    Comparing apples with oranges. Preventable deaths by gun with lifes necessities or non Preventable medical diseases. Ridiculous
     
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    Looks like you've chosen your religion.
     
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    wombat Well-Known Member

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    47 minutes and in different times zones not to mention freedom to speak or ignore? Gee, some of you Americans dont like others having any rights do you?
     
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    Totally incorrect.

    And what does that have to do with anything?
     
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    It's quite easy to find out, but you don't want to know that as it dilutes your false narrative.
     
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    No chosen facts and over emotion
     

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