Gun Control Brain Storm

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  1. beenthere

    beenthere Well-Known Member

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    Did you ever think about applying to go for a few ride alongs with your local police??? Who knows, you just might learn something.

    The reason you do NOT keep them locked up is elementary. How are you going to get to it in the 10 seconds you MIGHT have before the intruders get to you??

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    WHAT loopholes???
     
  2. Gemini_Fyre

    Gemini_Fyre New Member

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    But does nothing to reduce violent crime. You believe so? Prove it. Implements are irrelevant.
     
  3. Gemini_Fyre

    Gemini_Fyre New Member

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    This picture is worthless. Perhaps if the dates were all the same reference points, and included population growth it could be taken seriously. But until then it smells of cherry picked pig pucky. If anything it serves against you.
     
  4. beenthere

    beenthere Well-Known Member

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    Kennesaw, Georgia

    Gun law

    In 1982 the city passed an ordinance [Sec 34-21]


    (a) In order to provide for the emergency management of the city, and further in order to provide for and protect the safety, security and general welfare of the city and its inhabitants, every head of household residing in the city limits is required to maintain a firearm, together with ammunition therefore.
    (b)Exempt from the effect of this section are those heads of households who suffer a physical or mental disability which would prohibit them from using such a firearm. Further exempt from the effect of this section are those heads of households who are paupers or who conscientiously oppose maintaining firearms as a result of beliefs or religious doctrine, or persons convicted of a felony.



    "This gun law has reduced the incident rate of home burglaries citing that in the first year, home burglaries dropped from 65 before the ordinance, down to 26 in 1983, and to 11 in 1984. Another report observed a noticeable reduction in burglary from 1981, the year before the ordinance was passed, to 1999. A 2001 media report stated that Kennesaw's crime rates continued to decline and were well below the national average, making citizens feel safer and more secure."

    Then we have the lib media come along and claim;

    ""Later research claims that there is no evidence that [the law] reduced the rate of home burglaries [in Kennesaw], even though the overall crime rate had decreased by more than 50% between 1982 and 2005.""

    And what does the city claim???


    "The city's website claims the city has the lowest crime rate in the county"

    Your turn, NYC
     
  5. tomfoo13ry

    tomfoo13ry Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It not only serves against him, it directly contradicts his claim. He made the statement that "More Guns = More Gun Homicides" and then presented numbers showing that guns and gun owners are increasing while gun murders are at their lowest rate in over 30 years.
     
  6. NYCmitch25

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    So Guns are not an issue ?
     
  7. tomfoo13ry

    tomfoo13ry Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How do you mean?
     
  8. E_Pluribus_Venom

    E_Pluribus_Venom Well-Known Member

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    Personal responsibility is the issue, not guns. You can't legislate responsibility... you can only encourage it.

    It's why we're doomed, really. We're left to hope that folks who purchase firearms are in their right mind, or that they're capable of keeping their weapons away from those they weren't meant for. What a tragic gamble... but atleast you're "free". lol
     
  9. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    I strongly suspect you failed statistics, judging by your incorrect interpretation of that data. What those numbers show is less gun murders and more guns, exactly the opposite of what your equation asserts.
     
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    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    In the world of progressive mathematics, this is indisputable proof that guns cause murders not to happen.
     
  11. E_Pluribus_Venom

    E_Pluribus_Venom Well-Known Member

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    Where at we at on the "safest countries in the world" list? I mean, if guns = safety.
     
  12. NYCmitch25

    NYCmitch25 New Member

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    I THINK that it will.... Lets put it on you, how can you prove that it WON'T ?

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    The picture is not worthless but one may argue your mean spirited response as such. Do you know anything about factcheck ?
     
  13. NYCmitch25

    NYCmitch25 New Member

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    Wow, you guys are friendly here tonight? FLEX those E-Muscles. I don't have the timeto read about small town BS, read my previous points about shallow data points and laws. I'm actually against them.

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    You are telling me guns aren't an issue. Right ? Not a problem, it's all in my head. right ?
     
  14. beenthere

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    {{{{""""....... but atleast you're "free". lol"""}}}

    And intend to stay that way!!!
     
  15. E_Pluribus_Venom

    E_Pluribus_Venom Well-Known Member

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    That's the spirit!! America!
     
  16. NYCmitch25

    NYCmitch25 New Member

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    LOL. Dude, I'd say you guys are now arguing both sides of this. You tell me you need proof and then say that the since gun sales are going up and crime is going down, I'm wrong. I'm saying that the bigger picture in America dispite gun bans and general crime rates going down, the gun component is to me an issue. I'm not even asking for a ban here. I want control over where they end up.

    Note, crime is associated with economic conditions and other things.
     
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    So we can't legislate alchohol consumption? Rules haven't been effective in lowering DWIs etc. ? Can't we "encourge" gun responsibility ?
     
  18. Skinny.

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    I've said it a million times on this forum: why not just have a licensing process? No background checks, no waiting periods, limitations on the type or number of firearms you can own, just go into a shooting range every five years and prove you know what you're doing, then in theory you could use your license to buy all the guns you want whether form a gun shop, gun show or yard sale. I mean, let's face it, completely deregulation, and an uncaveated "right to arms" is not on the table so why not just support a reasonable measure of gun control that would actually be effective and would maximise your freedom to protect your property and enjoy your hobby?
     
  19. E_Pluribus_Venom

    E_Pluribus_Venom Well-Known Member

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    No, we can't. We can only administer penalty in the event that excessive consumption stands to harm someone else. Otherwise, there's no law against getting hammered (if you're of age, which still hasn't stopped under-age consumption).

    mm... I think there are a number of contributing factors.

    I said that.
     
  20. E_Pluribus_Venom

    E_Pluribus_Venom Well-Known Member

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    What's the incentive in wiping background checks?
     
  21. beenthere

    beenthere Well-Known Member

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    What's the matter, NYC???? When the evidence is going against you, you don't have time to check it out??

    On to the next subject. NYC, WHEN did you EVER see a gun get up and walk out on the street and SHOT somebody??? Well, none of the rest of us have either. It's some PEOPLE that ARE the problem. And we have also never head an APB calling police officers to, " be on the lookout for a Colt 1911 .45, serial number such an such, making it's way down Market Av. N.W. shooting people on sight", either.

    http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Man-Beaten-to-Death-With-Crowbar-165842486.html

    http://host.madison.com/news/local/...cle_aa4a6a14-3c08-11e2-b837-0019bb2963f4.html

    http://news.yahoo.com/man-killed-father-wyoming-bow-arrow-attack-185326288.html


    http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/20354782/tampa-man-killed-in-hammer-attack-in-seffner


    It's not gun problem but rather a people problem. And the rest of us refuse to allow those like you to take our rights away because you are scared and don't know how to handle yourself.
     
  22. beenthere

    beenthere Well-Known Member

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    Simple, NYC, with over 24,000 gun laws through out the U.S. and we still have a problem??? And you think a few more laws will make a difference to those that believe laws are made to be broken????
     
  23. E_Pluribus_Venom

    E_Pluribus_Venom Well-Known Member

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    That's not an excuse to do nothing. Yes, we have quite an issue with black market gun sale, and it's something that needs to be tackled. How, I'm not entirely sure. In the same breath, I see no reason why I should be able to waltz into a gun show and purchase a firearm from someone without a background check "if they're not in the business" of regularly selling firearms. We have illegal issues, as well as legal ones. Let's look at the ones we can find a solution to, as well as the ones we hope are in the works.
     
  24. beenthere

    beenthere Well-Known Member

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    Hummmmmmmmmmm...., I could care less about the world but my home has never been broken into when I have been home and only once when I wasn't. Anybody come in uninvited when I'm home they will be carried out feet first.
     
  25. E_Pluribus_Venom

    E_Pluribus_Venom Well-Known Member

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    Which should've prompted you to skip the comment.
     

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