Gun Control In Australia...FAIL!

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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As has all crime, including in the US. Your point?
     
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    As has all crime, including in the US. Your point?
     
  3. aussiefree2ride

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    Anything closer than 6 feet. lol
     
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    Is that the type of rape where the "rapist" is found guilty of inserting the letter "O" instead of a nought, in the ABN section of the 53 page "mutual consent to bonk form"?
     
  5. Bowerbird

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    Nice attitude - yep All the girls fault all the time

    NO it is the one where he is on top holding her down and he might be "kissing" her but there is no love attached

    Rape is about power not sex
     
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    BB, you are going hysterical again. I never said anything even remotely resembling your accusation. I agree that rape is NOT sex, just as some rape charges are about power and vindictiveness, BTW, although where we differ, is that I believe that the punishment for rape should be the DP.
     
  7. Mario Milano

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    Anyway to get this thread back on topic, the reality of when a government makes it law abiding citizens unarmed and we have to rely on police for our safety, usually when the police are called it is too late already. Relying on the government (bunch of sociopathic degenerates) to keep you safe is the most ridiculous idea that has ever been used to con a population...and here is why they like it....oh don,t think it can't ever happen here!
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    Gun Control is Genocide - documentary by Mike Adams

    Gun Control is Genocide. Why? Because throughout history, citizen disarmament has always been a precursor of mass genocide carried out by government gone bad. The term for it is "democide."

    In the last century, governments have murdered 262 million people -- far more than have died on the battlefield in all the wars combined. Government becomes extremely dangerous when it controls all the firepower while the citizenry controls none. This imbalance of power leads to genocide.

    It is only the presence of citizen firepower that prevents government -- which is inherently evil and destructive -- from enslaving the population.

    The Second Amendment is the one right that defends all other rights.

    [video]http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=E2BF95DC2CBE9A1ED0E3E5B347911D5E[/video]
     
  8. DominorVobis

    DominorVobis Banned at Members Request

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    Australia is, if not the safest country in the world to live in, it would be high on the list, I personally believe it is. We also have some of the hardest gun laws. Maybe the two are not directly linked, but having strict gun laws has not increased the danger, but has lowered gun deaths.

    But this post like most others is not about things like this, it is about conspiracies, that we need guns to defend ourselves from the government. That the police and politicians are boogy men out to get us, well you need help, quickly.
     
  9. Mario Milano

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    Edit - Double post
     
  10. Mario Milano

    Mario Milano New Member Past Donor

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    What you personally believe could mean you believe in the tooth fairy...so stick to facts instead!

    I need help or you just completely and totally ignorant of what has been going on around you? After weasel Howard banned law abiding citizens from being able to defend themselves look at what that weasel passed as laws in this country, now take a close look at them and you tell me if that is not some freakin tin pot dictator laws? And what is even more revolting about these politicians is Howard tried to hide the fact from the Australians that he was making these dictator laws. You trust psychopaths and you say I need help...seriously mate!!!!!

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    Secrets of Howard’s terror plan

    Global Research, October 16, 2005
    Daily Telegraph (Australia) 16 October 2005

    THE Federal Government’s tough new anti-terrorism laws go much further than previously stated, according to a draft copy of the Bill published yesterday on the ACT Government’s website.

    Sweeping shoot-to-kill powers and strict secrecy provisions will further spook civil libertarians, who regard the new laws as draconian.

    According to the draft, the Australian Federal Police will be given extraordinary “preventive detention” powers to lock up anyone they believe might be involved in or have knowledge of a terrorist act.

    If a suspect refuses to surrender, the police will be authorised to cause their “death or grievous bodily harm” provided the person “cannot be apprehended in any other manner”.

    The Attorney-General’s Department last night said ACT Chief Minister Jon Stanhope’s decision to publish the draft was “disappointing” and claimed it was being amended.

    However, the move by Mr Stanhope – sparked by his belief the community should know about the laws – has enabled the airing of more details, which include:

    POWERS to prevent detainees from telling relatives they are being detained;

    LIFE in jail for financing terrorism;

    SUSPECTS to wear tracking devices;

    SUSPECTS or those with knowledge prevented from working, using phones or the internet;

    ACCESS only to lawyers who are security cleared and all contact monitored by police;

    SUSPECTS or associates banned from leaving the country;

    RESTRICTED movement between specified times each day; and

    POLICE will be able to order transport operators to provide details of cargoes and then swear them to secrecy under threat of two years in jail.


    The Bill also overhauls sedition laws – seven years jail for inciting hatred or encouraging an enemy.

    Mr Stanhope and other state leaders signed off on the tough package last month, but the ACT chief now believes the community must be consulted before the laws are passed.

    Just one day has been set aside for the Senate to review the legislation.

    The Howard Government tried to force Mr Stanhope to remove the draft 107-page Bill from his website yesterday, but he flatly refused.

    He said he was not prepared to keep the people of the ACT in the dark.

    “I believe all Australians should have the opportunity to see, think about and have input into this legislation,” he said.

    “These laws are of such significance that every individual and every organisation has the right to have a proper look at the drafts before they (become) law.

    “It is appalling that the Howard Government apparently believes that the people of Australia have no right to see this draft legislation, or to have any input whatsoever into its formulation,” Mr Stanhope said.

    A spokeswoman for Attorney-General Philip Ruddock said Mr Stanhope’s move was “disappointing”.

    Despite the fact that it was the document signed off by state leaders the spokeswoman said it was an “incomplete and inaccurate document”.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/secrets-of-howard-s-terror-plan/1097
     
  11. DominorVobis

    DominorVobis Banned at Members Request

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    See your biggest fail is ignorance, anyone of legal age, who has no criminal record, who has a reasonable reason to own a gun can. I do, my 96 year old father does.

    So where is the problem, are you a terrorist?
     
  12. Mario Milano

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    heh heh, stating the fact that australians have been made defensless by sociopathic politicians gets one accused of being a terrorist....right? exactly what those anti terruh laws are really all about, getting rid of anyone that has different opinions to dictator wannabes. Sounds exactly like the old USSR doesn't it where they disappeared tens of millions of people unhappy with their Government....oh and same tactics too...shoot to kill....arrest people and no one is allowed to know they have been arrested....lawyers only appointed by the government....yeh keep going.......are you on the payroll?

    Tell me something genuis....if a country wants to invade Australia would the fact that a couple of million armed citizens could have been a deterrent? Or do you believe that a couple of dozen ancient F18's are gunna keeps us safe? Who the hell is an ignoramus?

    Lurve the fact that you can't win an argument and then start auto name calling!

    Oh and if you like do you know who the Bolsheviks that over threw the Russian Government actually were and who funded them? Let's see how much of an einstein you really are!
     
  13. Bowerbird

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    Nobody is "disappearing" in Australia (well nobody not belonging to the underbelly) There are no Gulags for Australian citizens, there are no forced marches. And surprisingly we do have a very effective weapon at our disposal - it is called DIPLOMACY
     
  14. Mario Milano

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    Can you inform us why it COULD NEVER HAPPEN HERE?

    I am sure the Russians thought the same thing and while you are at it why did the sold out weasel Howard try to secretly pass these laws that you only ever hear about in tin pot dictator countries?...oh and do you think there is anything wrong with these laws?...if they are not made for to people disappear why were they enacted in attempted secrecy?

    And another thing do you think Australians owe Mr. Stanthorpe a huge debt of gratitude for exposing the criminal nature of that scum bag Howard?

    Let me know which of those attempted secret laws to make people disappear you agree with?
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    Secrets of Howard’s terror plan


    Global Research, October 16, 2005
    Daily Telegraph (Australia) 16 October 2005

    THE Federal Government’s tough new anti-terrorism laws go much further than previously stated, according to a draft copy of the Bill published yesterday on the ACT Government’s website.

    Sweeping shoot-to-kill powers and strict secrecy provisions will further spook civil libertarians, who regard the new laws as draconian.

    According to the draft, the Australian Federal Police will be given extraordinary “preventive detention” powers to lock up anyone they believe might be involved in or have knowledge of a terrorist act.

    If a suspect refuses to surrender, the police will be authorised to cause their “death or grievous bodily harm” provided the person “cannot be apprehended in any other manner”.

    The Attorney-General’s Department last night said ACT Chief Minister Jon Stanhope’s decision to publish the draft was “disappointing” and claimed it was being amended.

    However, the move by Mr Stanhope – sparked by his belief the community should know about the laws – has enabled the airing of more details, which include:

    POWERS to prevent detainees from telling relatives they are being detained;

    LIFE in jail for financing terrorism;

    SUSPECTS to wear tracking devices;

    SUSPECTS or those with knowledge prevented from working, using phones or the internet;

    ACCESS only to lawyers who are security cleared and all contact monitored by police;

    SUSPECTS or associates banned from leaving the country;

    RESTRICTED movement between specified times each day; and

    POLICE will be able to order transport operators to provide details of cargoes and then swear them to secrecy under threat of two years in jail.


    The Bill also overhauls sedition laws – seven years jail for inciting hatred or encouraging an enemy.

    Mr Stanhope and other state leaders signed off on the tough package last month, but the ACT chief now believes the community must be consulted before the laws are passed.

    Just one day has been set aside for the Senate to review the legislation.

    The Howard Government tried to force Mr Stanhope to remove the draft 107-page Bill from his website yesterday, but he flatly refused.

    He said he was not prepared to keep the people of the ACT in the dark.

    “I believe all Australians should have the opportunity to see, think about and have input into this legislation,” he said.

    “These laws are of such significance that every individual and every organisation has the right to have a proper look at the drafts before they (become) law.

    “It is appalling that the Howard Government apparently believes that the people of Australia have no right to see this draft legislation, or to have any input whatsoever into its formulation,” Mr Stanhope said.

    A spokeswoman for Attorney-General Philip Ruddock said Mr Stanhope’s move was “disappointing”.

    Despite the fact that it was the document signed off by state leaders the spokeswoman said it was an “incomplete and inaccurate document”.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/secrets...rror-plan/1097
     
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    Double post again...WTF?
     
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    ...as a matter of fact, we did not drag anyone into anything....somebody stuck their nose into someone else's business without being invited
     
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    Australian culture - an inherent tendency to tell someone telling you do to something you do not want to do "Go get (*)(*)(*)(*)ed"
    You ARE kidding about the secrecy aren't you?
    [/QUOTE]

    A) Do not believe everything you read on conspiracy sites
    B) Just because a site has the word "research" in its title does not mean that anyone on the site actually knows what the word means
    c) not every site on the internet tells the truth or at least all of the truth
    d) Beware of those sites that give half a story with the intent to convey a different, usually inflammatory message

    Those laws are NOT standing up in court. The times they have been enacted the cases have been overturned and basically thrown out. They are not worth the paper they are written on because they breach a fundamental of our legal system

    Natural Justice

    The law society is working to get those laws challenged and overturned - but in truth they are like the patriot act in the USA - a reaction
     
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    Well excuse me, typical American reaction, doh, we're innocent.

    An American started this thread, on the Australian pages, telling us how our gun laws affect us and how we are stupid. If Americans travelled (Americans are one of the lowest passport holders in the western world) they would see two things.
    1: Most of the world is getting on with life despite the USA.
    2: Most of the world look on the US as a bit of a joke really, a bit of a sad joke, like the sad clown at the circus.

    So if you don't like what we say, keep out of our pages, if you come here spewing your garbage, yes a few dickheads will agree with you, but most won't.
     
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    Well, I live in Adelaide (the murder capital of Australia) and I have never felt unsafe in my life (and I also do not believe the lies, I have not been murdered once either). Our police do a good enough job, sure, there is room for improvement, but the same can be said for anything really.

    As to the topic of gun control, as a registered gun owner, I quite like our gun laws. It keeps the nuts and knobs from being able to obtain a firearm, it helps mantain the professionalism of our sport and, due to the prerequisite of a gun safe course before obtaining a gun licence, has also helped keep gun related accidents to a minimum. Yes, sure, people can still illegally obtain firearms (and it does annoy me when those perpetrators only get fined, as opposed to being prosecuted to the full extent of the law, but that is a problem of the courts, not the police), but our actual incidence of gun related crime in Australia is low anyhow.
     
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    Not all Aussies are bigited simpletons, although the ones who are desreve a kick up the arse occasionally. There is no reason that this topic can`t be discussed by anyone at all, but the standard tactic of the currant politbureau here is to throw a childish tantrum when confronted by, or asked for facts.
     
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    We, the so-called few:nana: , get your point. We are not telling you what do in your country, at least I don't, but ya'll from Oz got no issue telling us what's best for us..... what did you expect when you tell us we need to lay down our guns, just because you think we should.....As Delbert would say, that's The Rub......
     
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    Tain't nuttin' to the hissy fit them Yanks has been throwin' coz I went an made em' think about their guns!!!

    I truly truly love how just questioning something posted on the WORLD WIDE WEB has Americans all hot and bothered and in need of a lie down
     
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    I sometimes wonder if the only reason the yanks want their guns is that, originally, they needed to tote their
    guns to slaughter those pesky redskins.....and I mean slaughter....later, when the gunsmoke cleared...pardon the pun...
    in Dodge and Tombstone...the bureacrats probably thought....I think Ill keep this colt 45, just in case.....
    and then along came....The Lone Ranger, The Cisco Kid, Jessie James, Billy The Kid.... and all those varmints that rustle longhorns down by the crick...not forgetting Wyatt Earp, and Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid.....
    AND then there was Hollywood, which, at every turn, glorified America.......and the guns they were used to carrying.....

    God bless America....yawn yawn.....yo orl come back....ya hear....
     
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    Waste the sob....yeah...got him plumb centre Cisco..........
     
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    ..never met them fellers. We have guns in case our gov'ment starts acting like yours. tell you what, since you appear to be so sympathetic about the plight of our criminals, how 'bout we send them your way and you can hold their little pitties and tell them they are loved and safe.
    ...I gotta laugh..all this blow about guns from a nation founded on criminals.
    Ya'll watched Quigley Down Under roo many times.......
     

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