Gun Control Politics

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  1. Grey Matter

    Grey Matter Well-Known Member Donor

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    First, let me show you how to get the data about to follow.

    I do this partially because I've gone back and had a bit of difficulty remembering how to do this myself, so this will be a helpful place to make note of the procedure.

    Go to https://wonder.cdc.gov/ucd-icd10.html, scroll down and click the "I Agree" button.

    On the resulting page, in Section 1 - Group By, change the first item to "Injury Intent" using the drop down list. It's currently the fourth selection up from the bottom of the list.

    Next, select Year for the second Group By option.

    Skip down to section 6 and click the radio button next to Injury Intent and Mechanism.
    Leave Injury Intent set to All Causes - these will be sorted according to the Group By selection made previously.
    Under Injury Mechanism select Firearm.
    Note that the page returns to the default display in Section 6 if you go back to rerun the search so you have to toggle the radio button selection again to get back to the Injury selections.

    Click any of the send buttons - they all execute the query.

    Here are the results for Homicides,
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    Here is a link to the FBI table that shows similar totals, but breaks down the data by type of firearm,

    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8.xls

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    Actually, I just noticed that the numbers between the FBI results and the CDC results are not comparable. The CDC reports about 14k homicides by firearms for '16 thru '19 whereas the FBI reports about 10k: a significant disagreement.

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    Using either of these sources we have an average of between 27 and 38 homicides by firearms 365 days-a-year in the US. Some substantial number of these are folks that likely deserved what they got and there is also a substantial number that likely didn't deserve it. Murder is a pretty serious thing, not something I'd ever care to participate in one way or the other. The number of these that make it as a matter of national media coverage are insignificant but highly sensational. If getting rid of guns is your agenda then make your argument based on all of the data. Same thing if you desire to keep and even expand US access to guns.

    If we're just going to talk about the sensational case of the day that ignores the 270 to 380 murders that occurred 10 days before the event and the same number that occur over the following ten days then don't expand the discussion to gun control at all and stick to the specifics of the case, imo.

    Personally, I think there are a lot of other fish to fry that ought to be much less divisive than arguing about gun control. How about a sugar tax to pay for insulin, for example?

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    YESSSS!!!! (on the sugar tax... great idea)
    Gun control is like abortion... our great-great-great-great grandchildren will still be arguing about it.
     

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