Gun control - Why punish the law abiding rather than the criminals?

Exactly how is the firearms community not acting responsibly? What is it presently doing that is irresponsible and threatening the well being of others?

 

Pray tell, exactly what is being stated on the part of yourself? That those who are not going out of their way to commit violent crimes and harming others, should allow themselves to be subjected to new regulations and restrictions in response to the actions of criminals?

 

I accept your concession you can’t back up any of your claims. I just quoted state law.

By the way, the admission a few posts back that more firearm regulation is not needed is helpful. Several anti gun folks I’ve conversed with this week have come through with helpful content. Not with intellectual or factual information, but with clear admissions the anti gun position is not predicated on concern for human life.

I would still like to hear your opinion on what the responsibility of law enforcement is and how it differs from mine. I think it’s an interesting topic in this context as well as others. Of course you have no obligation to, that seems to be a one way street. But a street that leads to more observers understanding the crumbling foundation of the anti gun movement.

 

So you give assertions but not citations and sites to back them up.

Not spot on.

 

I quoted the law verbatim. You’ve offered nothing. Your turn.

 

Good night, 557, sleep well with your dreams.

 

Good night. Thanks for the discussion.

 

Okay, give an Aussie a go.

1. You'd have to have been living many years on a deserted Island with no communication NOT to know that the USA has a serious gun problem with 260+ gun massacres 2019 YTD.
2. If everyone was a nice good social guy with real human empathy for all, there'd be no need for restrictive Laws at all.

 

Using your number, most massacres are done by blacks. The narratives are crossing. You are supposed to tell us about "white, right wing terror".

 

Sorry, I thought I was answering the OP. And I have seen posts here which raise some doubt about skin pigmentation being relevant.

 

You are the one using the number. Yes, we can view shooters by race.
You are using the looser standard of "mass shooting" the media has harped on. Fact is, most of those were gang shootings, most are black on black.

 

It is a fact.

Oh dear, this is not going to end well I fear. What 'race' is a (oh, let's say) sixth generation dark skinned American?

Facts are not 'standards.' They are facts.

Again, I have seen posts here with citations debunking that. So, show me some evidence.

 

Right after you show me evidence of 260+ gun massacres.

Hint, you wont be able to by FBI standards of a 'mass shooting'.

 

You lose.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2019

I was wrong. Team USA has now amassed 290+ YTD 2019.

 

In a great many such incidents, there were zero deaths, or simply a single death. Such is not sufficient to meet the accepted definition of what qualifies as a mass shooting, as a minimum of four individuals must be killed in the incident to qualify. Not simply shot, but killed.

Going by such criteria, there have only been sixteen incidents for the year in the united states.

 

For the question of whether the U.S. is unique in its number and frequency of mass shootings this is an interesting article:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...rica_anatomy_of_a_hyped_statistic_137960.html

This paper shows a very different picture: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3238736

This is the Adam Lankford paper critiqued (and eviscerated) in the linked paper above: https://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Lankford-Public-Mass-Shooters-Firearms.pdf

Bottom line, the claim that the U.S. has significantly more mass shootings than other countries is not true.

 

Huh. In every one of them, there were at least FOUR victims.

 

The problem here is anti gunners wanting it both ways. They want a big number of mass shootings to bandy around to sound scary. But the big number always is full of bangers and minorities and people we don’t want to paint in a bad light.

So we try to put together a list of acceptable villains and we get a few nuts and a few white boys. Cool. But the number of incidents sounds pathetic statistically.

It's a vexing conundrum.

 

Gee, why didn't the forum righties give me plenty of likes for my post???