Gun control - Why punish the law abiding rather than the criminals?

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  1. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member

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    Certainly they have recommendations. For example, they might recommend a particular gun for certain circumstances. However, they do not tell you what you should do. They are just recommendations.

    If someone has no experience with guns and feel they need one, I would recommend that get some training and advice from a NRA certified instructor.

    As far as a discussion of a shotgun versus a pistol for home defense, they both have advantages and disadvantages. Choosing one or the other requires knowledge of those advantages and disadvantages and the particular circumstances.
     
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    Yeah, but do you think the guy that wrote that article is "rational"?

    You were talking about odds and how people should worry more about heart disease.

    What are the odds this guy is going to need all the guns he's got wherever he goes?

    It just seems strange that the gun people are telling me I have "irrational" fears. I don't even own a gun. Meanwhile, they live in lovely safe Republican communities and I live in a "Democratic sh*thole". They are worried about having to go to war with the U.S. government and gawd knows who else 24/7, with a boatload of different types of guns coming out of their whatevers, hoarding them up in case the commies take them all away...

    all I said was that sort of paranoia and fear seems like self inflicted "punishment" to me.
     
  3. kriman

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    I did not read the article and don' need to. I have already made that decision. A shotgun is better for an urban environment where the projectiles could penetrate the wall and hit someone outside the house or apartment. A pistol can penetrate walls and should not be used where the projectile could penetrate a wall and hit someone else. Whichever one is used, it should be sufficient to knock a intruder down so that he does not get up. My personal choice for my country environment is a 45 semiautomatic ACP. It has a relatively low muzzle velocity with little penetrating ability. However, an intruder hit with one of those slugs is not likely to get back up.

    I am not particularly concerned about carrying a weapon when I travel because I rarely go into dangerous areas and I spend more time in my house than anywhere. I do not need to carry a weapon. I just prefer that it be readily available at home.

    Personally I don't care whether you own or carry a weapon. That is your decision and is of no concern to me one way or the other.

    A child is safer in school than any where else in spite of the school shootings. The media and anti gun crowd have managed to scare everyone to death over something that has little chance of harming them.
     
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    When people ask questions based on false premises a yes or no answer doesn’t suffice.

    I mean, who would carry a gun 24 hours a day. Your question is absurd. Even Sgt. Tackleberry took his guns off from time to time. I think. Maybe not. It was dark... :)

    The information in my replies to you are for the edification of observers. It’s not intended to be an answer to your trick questions based on false premises. Sorry.
     
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    And the NRA and the right's and Trump's promotion of paranoia and fears haven't managed to "scare everyone to death".

    Mmmkay.
     
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    Trick questions?

    False premises?

    Hilarious and ironic.
     
  7. kriman

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    Hasn't made me worry about getting shot or any other specific situation.
     
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    Are you worried the commies are going to take your gun away?
     
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    Besides those who have openly admitted that such is what they wish to see done? Including the one who advocated for the use of nuclear weapons against firearm owners who do not comply with confiscation requirements?
     
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    Because the proposed gun controls will have little to no effect on gun violence, and the Democrats and progressives have little deep seated concern for that. Ask the people in the south side how the very strict gun controls in Chicago are working for them.
     
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    No.
     
  12. BobbyJoe

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    So the commies want to take all your guns away for no reason.

    Okay, that sounds rational.

    No paranoia and fear there.

    There's a commie under your bed. Boo!
     
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    How come?

    Others here are.

    You don't feel "punished" by any gun laws that exist?

    That seems to be the problem in all this gun control stuff.

    That the "law abiding" suffer horribly because they can't or won't be able to buy enough guns to protect themselves from the government and commies and creatures from outer space.
     
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    I am concerned about the anit-gun left, but not about the commies.
    It is crap like that makes it hard to take you seriously.
     
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    Because you won't have a gun anymore?

    Well it's hard to take the right seriously in general...

    especially on the subject of guns and fears and being rational.
     
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    I guess the solution there is more guns for everyone, right?
     
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    Sorry that you are not interested.
     
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    Well, you're entitled to your opinion but the fact of the matter is there are millions of lawful gun owners( that's some fringe huh?) in the US with millions of guns and the second amendment. I don't think that anyone who isn't a gun owner understands the magnitude of those things. Gun ownership is a right granted by the Constitution not a privilege. It s also the guarantor of all our other Constitutional rights. Without the second amendment there is no Constitution and that is why the progressives are so determined to destroy it. Ain't ever gonna happen and there will never be any other form of government in the US other than what we have now and the second amendment guarantees that. You're right, it isn't complicated at all but it is so much more important than you and others of your ilk think.
     
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    You'd think if the 2nd Amendment meant what many gun owner's claimed it meant, they would have written it entirely differently.

    Of course, there's no point in discussing that with those sorts of owners.

    But, seeing as it says "shall not be infringed", and that supposedly says it all...there shouldn't be any laws on any guns or any weapon of any kind anywhere in the U.S. ever.

     
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    Respect for the rule of law and the founding principles is dead on both sides of the fence. One person is not to be punished for the actions of another.

    Red complains about such violations with respect to Guns - but then turns around and supports such violations for other things.
     
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    When only the criminal individuals are the ones who have access to firearms, leaving the good individuals disarmed by law, then such is indeed the answer. Said criminals cannot legally possess firearms under any circumstances, so it is physically impossible to reduce that number to any meaningful degree, unless one wishes to live in and support a totalitarian police state where civil liberties and constitutional rights are nonexistent in the name of protecting the people from themselves.

    One can either allow those without criminal intentions to have firearms to protect themselves, or they can insist the government become totalitarian. There is no third choice.
     
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    Is that supposed to contradict Rummel's data?

    A super majority of Americans have identified government as the greatest threat they face.
    That is why Trump was elected. Who was in the WH in 2013?

    GALLUP, “Record High in U.S. Say Big Government Greatest Threat, Now 72% say it is greater threat than big business or big labor”, by Jeffrey M. Jones, 12/18/13.
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/166535/r...syndication&utm_content=morelink&utm_term=All
     
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    I don't know, although taking away their guns will not help. The point is that gun control does not come close to accomplishing its professed objective, which means the professed objective is a sham and a smokescreen.
     
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    I showed how your question is based on a false premise. Your question is unanswerable as asked because everyone’s circumstances are different and many people have phobias to contend with. There can’t be a blanket recommendation for everyone. Yet you keep asking the question. Why?
     

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