Gun control's racist past and present

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  1. rover77

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    I thought the article was a pretty well-balanced article which attempted to address the complexities of the intersection between gun politics and race politics in America. Racist gun laws were around long before the Civil War. They were around before the US gained its independence from Great Britain. The colony of Virginia prohibited slaves from owning guns. James Madison (who introduced the Bill of Rights into the US Constitution) came from Virginia. He probably didn't want his slaves to own guns. But like Saul Cornell says in the article that doesn't mean that gun control is always racist. The NRA and Republicans, interestingly, have a history of supporting gun control. They supported the GCA and banning open carry in California in the 1960s. The NRA has become more radicalized in recent decades but does not appear to be very supportive of gun ownership among African Americans. Quote from the article:

    "The silence of the NRA following the 2016 murder of 32-year-old Philando Castile after he clearly disclosed that he had a licensed firearm to Minnesota police officer Jeronimo Yanez during a routine traffic stop, hammered the point home for many African American gun owners."
    https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2017/10/gun-control-racist-present-171006135904199.html
     
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    After a day of fierce criticism over whether it cares about the second amendment rights of black Americans, the National Rifle Association posted a statement late Friday in response to the death of Philando Castile, an African American man shot to death by a police officer during a traffic stop.

    Without mentioning Castile’s name, the gun rights organization called the reports of the 32-year-old’s death “troubling” and said they “must be thoroughly investigated”.
    The National Rifle Association, criticized for its silence after a Twin Cities police officer was acquitted for killing permit-to-carry gun owner Philando Castile, has now responded to the verdict 3½ weeks later and said the death was a “tragedy that could have been avoided.”

    "I think it's absolutely awful," NRA spokeswoman Dana Loesch said during a debate on CNN. "It's a terrible tragedy that could have been avoided."
     
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    food for thought when 13% of the US population is responsible for over 50% of all homicides...the gun control movement is STILL racist
     
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    only 0.2% of the US population is responsible for over 50% of the homicides.
     
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    that's probably true of most violent crime but I was referring to the black community's killing fields, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, black offenders committed 52 per cent of homicides recorded in the data between 1980 and 2008. Only 45 per cent of the offenders were white.(it's not getting any better) To focus legislation on legal, primarily white gun owners is racist ..as is ignoring the problem , misdirecting political and legal resources to avoid talking about it (the racism of low expectations)
     
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    13% of our population is about 40 million people. 40 million people weren't involved 6,000 homicides. Please be accurate in your claims. Blaming the 40 million Black Americans for actions committed by a fraction of a percent of that demographic is simply incorrect at best and racist at worst.
     
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    In asserting that the NRA is somehow a racist organization you noted:
    However, you were careful to omit the following clarification:

    https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2017/10/gun-control-racist-present-171006135904199.html
    EXCERPT "Outcry from grassroots organisers prompted the NRA to issue a statement, calling the events in Minnesota "troubling" and saying it "proudly supports the right of law-abiding Americans to carry firearms for defence of themselves and others regardless of race, religion or sexual orientation".CONTINUED


    Why did you deliberately omit that salient clarification unless it was to disingenuously slander the NRA?
     
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    Its follows along with Chicago banning blacks from CCP. Good thing the NRA was there to file suits since the NAACP and SPLC did nothing. But nah, the progressives/liberals/democrats "care" about the black community right?

    http://countercurrentnews.info/2014...denies-black-people-concealed-carry-licenses/
     
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    Anything that prohibits firearms ownership on the basis of economic standing, or at the discretion of an unelected official without oversight, is racist by its very nature.
     
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    Yes, albeit it's an extraordinarily small number - about 0.0125%. Are Black Americans overrepresented in homicide statistics, both as perps and victims? Yes. Does 13% of the population commit over half the murders. No.
     
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    The Black community in many Cities sees Police as "The Enemy" and is not helpful in Crime detection or prevention or reduction in any substantial manner.

    In major Cities, Gangs openly murder in broad daylight in sight of many witnesses and yet finding anyone that will admit to having seen anything is next to impossible.
     
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    clearance rates are lowest in the worst cities ,take Chicago:

    2018 Homicide Clearance Rate


    Legal Outcome Homicides
    No Suspect Charged 178
    Suspect Charged 29
    Murder-Suicide 2
    Self-Defense 2
    Police-Involved 1

    [​IMG]
     
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    The statement sounds like mere lip service to me which was only issued because of outside pressure.
     
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    Why the omission?
     
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    You quoted the answer.
     
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    The US does have a history of racist gun control. Its a shame, mind you, that many pro-gunners I see on here are still reliant on making race related comment.
     
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    Those who support greater firearm-related restrictions are not innocent of the charge, as they eventually interject the matter of race in every single discussion they partake in.
     
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    Racism should always be challenged. Its my experience, unfortunately, that the challenge is often not taken up by pro gunners.
     
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    It doesn't matter what the NRA's clarification sound like to you. You attempted to deceive other readers by deliberately omitting a salient passage from the article in order to slander the NRA.
    However, deception is the operative tactic of those opposed to the 2nd Amendment.
     
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    Because of your enmity toward the 2nd Amendment, it's obvious that you know very few "pro gunners".
     
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    In other words, the omission was done because it was determined on the part of yourself that it undermined the false narrative being presented.
     
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    Certainly not in terms of researchers in criminology. Are there actually that many?
     

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